Comments on: The Deficit http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/ None Sine Causa Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:56:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Tsykoduk http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/comment-page-1/#comment-2299 Tsykoduk Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:46:55 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/#comment-2299 I did not say cut the enforcement. I said cut the IRS and simplifly the tax code. Say, 15 to 20% sales tax on everything. No more IRS, H&R Block, tax season, billions spend on maintaining a bloated bureaucracy. I wrote about this almost a year ago <a href="http://greg.nokes.name/mundane/politics/go-go-gadget-tax/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://greg.nokes.name/mundane/politics/taxes-the-real-story/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. To sum it up, we would save billions and the government would make more then it does now. As far as a social safety net imposed by the federal government, that money is better entrusted to the people, so that they might spend it on the local concerns that <b>they agree with</b> rather then some mandated programs from a government in the sky. The Republicans will never run on this - they are not fiscally conservative. I did not say cut the enforcement. I said cut the IRS and simplifly the tax code. Say, 15 to 20% sales tax on everything. No more IRS, H&R Block, tax season, billions spend on maintaining a bloated bureaucracy. I wrote about this almost a year ago here and here. To sum it up, we would save billions and the government would make more then it does now.

As far as a social safety net imposed by the federal government, that money is better entrusted to the people, so that they might spend it on the local concerns that they agree with rather then some mandated programs from a government in the sky.

The Republicans will never run on this – they are not fiscally conservative.

]]> By: honestpartisan http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/comment-page-1/#comment-2297 honestpartisan Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:58:20 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/#comment-2297 Well, as a partisan Democrat, I hope that Republicans run on your plan -- especially #4 and #5. By the way, you're wrong about the IRS. Cutting the IRS enforcement has made the deficit worse. When they're able to, they collect a lot of taxes that people don't pay. And the reason that the tax code is not simple is because of legislators looking for ways to tax people more, but because of legislators looking to carve out exceptions for people. Well, as a partisan Democrat, I hope that Republicans run on your plan — especially #4 and #5.

By the way, you’re wrong about the IRS. Cutting the IRS enforcement has made the deficit worse. When they’re able to, they collect a lot of taxes that people don’t pay. And the reason that the tax code is not simple is because of legislators looking for ways to tax people more, but because of legislators looking to carve out exceptions for people.

]]> By: tsykoduk http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/comment-page-1/#comment-2296 tsykoduk Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:07:29 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/#comment-2296 DJ: I agree - but the historically, the diffrence is a few percentage points lower for the Republicans Hoest: Hmmm.. Lemme see. 1) IRS. The IRS needs to go. We could save a boatload of cash if we went to a simpler tax code and did not pay the salary for all of the IRS folks. 2) Welfare. Welfare should be provided for by local intrests, so that local concerns can be met. 3) Education, See Welfare. 4) Social Security. We need to pay out what we have promised, but new claims should not be allowed. Cut the taxes on it, and allow folks to invest their own money as they see fit. If they do not want to invest, then they work when they get old. It's their choice. 5) Federally Funded medical programs. Either we offer free health care to everyone, and tax everyone equally for it, or we should not offer it at all. Again, local concerns should be addressed locally, not through a federal mandate. I think that if a town or state wants to tax it's citizens and provide a service, that it their choice. It's not the federal goverment's job to govern down to the smallest minutae. Basically, I really think that the only thing a federal goverment is good for is defense, assistance during major problems (Hurricanes, Floods, Plagues, Invasions from Mars) but other then that, they should let us govern ourselves locally. Local goverment means that each of us gets more of a say in what happens. DJ:

I agree – but the historically, the diffrence is a few percentage points lower for the Republicans

Hoest:

Hmmm.. Lemme see.

1) IRS. The IRS needs to go. We could save a boatload of cash if we went to a simpler tax code and did not pay the salary for all of the IRS folks.

2) Welfare. Welfare should be provided for by local intrests, so that local concerns can be met.

3) Education, See Welfare.

4) Social Security. We need to pay out what we have promised, but new claims should not be allowed. Cut the taxes on it, and allow folks to invest their own money as they see fit. If they do not want to invest, then they work when they get old. It’s their choice.

5) Federally Funded medical programs. Either we offer free health care to everyone, and tax everyone equally for it, or we should not offer it at all. Again, local concerns should be addressed locally, not through a federal mandate. I think that if a town or state wants to tax it’s citizens and provide a service, that it their choice. It’s not the federal goverment’s job to govern down to the smallest minutae.

Basically, I really think that the only thing a federal goverment is good for is defense, assistance during major problems (Hurricanes, Floods, Plagues, Invasions from Mars) but other then that, they should let us govern ourselves locally. Local goverment means that each of us gets more of a say in what happens.

]]> By: honestpartisan http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/comment-page-1/#comment-2295 honestpartisan Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:03:21 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/#comment-2295 Tsykoduk - What are you talking about? Republicans control Congress. Do you foresee that changing as a result of the '06 elections? And what spending do you think should be cut? I'm not talking about bridges to nowhere, meritless as they may be, I mean the really fiscally significant stuff: defense, interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Tsykoduk – What are you talking about? Republicans control Congress. Do you foresee that changing as a result of the ’06 elections? And what spending do you think should be cut? I’m not talking about bridges to nowhere, meritless as they may be, I mean the really fiscally significant stuff: defense, interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

]]> By: Dave Justus http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/comment-page-1/#comment-2294 Dave Justus Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:10:43 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/#comment-2294 Republicans have proven to be able spenders as well. I am not really a big deficit hawk. I am worried about the effects of too much spending however we finance it, but I don't think that financing spending through taxes is any different than financing it through a deficit, and in many cases a deficit may be superio to taxes. Controlling inflation is important, and too much spending, especially deficit spending can make that difficult but as long as we have strong productivity gains that danger seems minimal. Republicans have proven to be able spenders as well.

I am not really a big deficit hawk. I am worried about the effects of too much spending however we finance it, but I don’t think that financing spending through taxes is any different than financing it through a deficit, and in many cases a deficit may be superio to taxes.

Controlling inflation is important, and too much spending, especially deficit spending can make that difficult but as long as we have strong productivity gains that danger seems minimal.

]]> By: tsykoduk http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/comment-page-1/#comment-2291 tsykoduk Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:04:24 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/01/13/the-deficit/#comment-2291 The real challenge, if we can balance the books by 08 will be capping the Democrat's own spending. Since they have a stake in the goverment, they are able to undermine efforts to work the Republican Way. It will be a hard fight to curb spending enough to balance the budget wilst keeping the wolves at bay... The real challenge, if we can balance the books by 08 will be capping the Democrat’s own spending. Since they have a stake in the goverment, they are able to undermine efforts to work the Republican Way.

It will be a hard fight to curb spending enough to balance the budget wilst keeping the wolves at bay…

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