Justus For All

Good for you and good for Denmark. Its people have always been friends of Israel. I just wish the local press would have more guts and publish similar stuff. I don’t condone depicting Mohammad in negative ways since I believe Islam to be a positive, humane religion at its core. Problem is, many Muslims misenterpret the Quran and well…that’s what they get!

Well, I guess that Evans should be feeling very hard done by, given the fact there was not a peep when he got fired for his cartoons in the Herald.

All three of them could be particularly pertinent to the debates hereabouts of recent times.

Never heard of him before. They didn’t appear hugely offensive to me.

Legal action and using the unique power of the state, which is what is being called for here, is very different in my opinion to a corperation deciding for reasons of mass appeal to present a certain message in a certain way.

I would have not problem for Arabs calling for a people to stop subscribing to those newspapers. I don’t have a problem with Arabs not buying Danish products if they are offended (although that seems overboard to me.) Asking for the Danish Government to step in is something I strongly oppose.

What has been done is a terrible mistake. Showing Mohammad as a terrorist labels the whole Muslim which is 1.5 billion people around the world as terrorists. It is stupid and shows how little knowledge some Christians have regarding Islam.

HOW CAN A WHOLE BELIEF JUMP OFF A CLIFF WITHOUTANY CONCIOUS THOUGHT FOR THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS???ISLAM IS IN SHAMBLES IT ALLOWS THESE ACTIONS WHAT A SHAME . HOW MANY WAYS CAN YOU EMBARESS GOD???CHECK OUT THE KORAN ….. GOD WEEPS AT THESE PEOPLE

I was brought up by my parents to tolerate all cultures, religions and to have equal respect for everybody no matter what their ethnicity or beliefs. I have enjoyed many years feeling this joy of being equal and not questioning it.

Not anymore. I have seen to much sheer contempt and utter bitterness from the muslim race residing in the UK. They are protected to the fullest extent of our government and law to do and say whatever they please. If your English, don’t you DARE show any anomosity towards them.

“Cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad?”, “hey muslim brothers, let’s use this as an opportunity to show our contempt for the west and act like the animals that we are”

They have the audacity to throw around placards calling Europe ‘Cancer’ and ‘massacare non believers’ when we’ve done so much to accomodate them. We’ve even banned the word Christmas in some towns in case it offends them.

I have been threatened in the street a number of times whilst walking home from work, by no other people other than muslims that have over taken my town. They spit on the street in front of you, and they walk around in packs of 8 and intimidate you when possible.

I hate muslim race in it’s totality. And that’s sad.

To ALL that posted here:
Even before the present caricature-freedom conflict, Ihave had a bad, an intensely bad feeling about disgraceful depictions of Jesus Christ, a prophet muslims believe in.
And I know, these despicable acts are done by people who are born in christian homes. But let me tell you something… these ugly animals ridiculing their very prophet are not christians at all, despite their legacy of having born in Christian Homes. They are rather the hand of Satan, or the evil spirit which is from the day-one an anti-religious spirit which fondles human beings to become anti-religious. Don’t now tell me that Christianity allows these despicable acts of some strange freedom, strange because of its being unbounded by any sense of responsibility.
Christmas is not a word which sounds bad to any muslims at all. Infact when I deal with some christians in the last week of december, and when they wish me Happy Holidays, I respond with Happy Christmas. There’s nothing wrong in being religious. It’s not by denying your identity that you try to gain equality; you have to be humane enough to have respect for equality despite showing your identity. We gotta show Unity in Diversity, but not a unity in forgotten-diversities!
And now coming to the current point: Prophet Mohammad is revered by Muslims and any depiction of his is considered blasphemous, be it holy, good or bad. Nothing more to be said on this…

I should infact think all muslims and christians should stand up together up against derogatory speech and depictions of Jesus Christ also. Given the fact that Christianity allows favorable images, WE should atleast stand against any negative imagery that hurts real christians also, not the kind of animals that try to make money by selling disgrace to others’ beliefs. Muslims in particular should take stand against any offense to the Personalities of Prophets like Mohammad, Jesus or Moses or any other prophets which are mentioned in the Qur’an, and the Bible.

Pray for all! Pray for Peace! Amen.

Let’s see. Min Aher believes I am an animal if a satirize Islam or Christianity. Which other religions am I not allowed to make fun of?

Hinduism? Buddhism? Taoism?

What about some of the more oddball Christian sects? Say, Seventh-Day Adventists or Mormons? Christian scientists?

Oh, am I allowed to make fun of outright cults? Say, Scientology or the Unification Church. Or are they verboten as well?

Can I at least make fun of those that are more philosophies than religion? Say, Zen Buddhism, Unitarians, or Humanists?

Who, in your infinite wisdom, am I allowed to criticize? Or must I risk offending no-one, and go curl up under a rock somewhere?

I have no problem with Muslims all over the world getting angry over these stupid cartoons. However, the Muslim leadership should, rather than pandering to the lowest denomination of their respective countries, serve to calm and encourage debate in an open forum. Grasroots will take hold and things will get reconciled. Rather than encouraging volatile and hysterical behavior, leaders must guide they’re people and allow them focus on positive movements, such as boycotting a particular agency or firm and boycotting all advertising sponsors associated with such a firm. This sends a message in the business world, which is where the buck stops in the West. When things are handled logically the people always benefit more. Perhaps, certain immoral people focus on negatives and create panic in order for their people to be sidetracked so they may not focus on all their real problems. I mean come on folks, are we supposed to cower to and appease some angry mollah anywhere in the third world who is unsatisfied with some skummy aspect of our culture. Get real people.

Okay, let’s get real. Getting real doesn’t mean you punching me in the face and expecting me to say ” O yeah that hurts ” and get ready for another one. Getting real also means stopping you from repeating it. But Joe certainly has a point in taking a realistic course of boycotting … etc. But let me insist here that the acts of violent protests you are seeing in the muslim protests are not because a third-world moolah is exciting us, but because the acts of certain over-the-head freedom-fighters flexing their dirty brain muscles. I am in the US, and my blood burns too, but again I am proud of my countrymen not going out too much like the jumping European press did.
Dave Miller, you would rather curl up under a rock somewhere than disturbing the peace of someones mind and soul. It is like bombing ones house and telling him to digest the effects if alive. Religion has a big emotional and sensitive part in peoples lives. Yes, you should not degrade Christ, not Mohammad, not Moses, and not anyone. ” To you your beliefs and to me mine”; this is what Qur’an preaches, and Muslims are not allowed to play with anyones else’s religious beliefs.
And Dave, what about respecting your mothers and fathers and taking care of them in their old age. A multi-billion dollar old-age home cannot provide better support than the satisfaction of a under 50k earning son! How about not making a mockery of ones mothers and fathers. How about not calling your father an ‘old-man’ in a cheap manner? How about not stooping to talking sexually about your mother in various comedy-shows, dirty internet sites and where-not-else? Your very mother! The mother who suckled you, changed your diapers, spoilt numerous nights’ sleep to tender to your cries, and before and above all, carried you in her womb for nine months!! Mock her? Society’s freedom of expression has gone a bit too far, you have to accept it.

Just to give a comment to “stupid thing” – I think what is really stupid is to think that 1.5 billions of muslims are the same as those crazy militant fundamentalist who are breading fear and cannot even read – thus interpret Kuran in their own militant way. Even the prophet would be sick to see what they have done to Islam.

This way, even those people who did not dislike Muslims will have no more reasons not to do so as the recent behaviour just gave undeniable evidence that there are many who have gone crazy and violent and there is nothing about the peace coming from that end..Would you like to live alone, in the shell or share the living environment with others who are not of same religion/belief or even more those who are of the same religion but strongly disagree with such barbaric and neandretal behaviour and aradical interpretation of Islam.
Get life and try to smile more!!!

Prophet Mohammad is revered by Muslims and any depiction of his is considered blasphemous, be it holy, good or bad. Nothing more to be said on this…

Min Aher, perhaps there is something more to be said on this. For example, where in the Koran does it say that depicting the prophet (peace be upon him) is blasphemous?

Some Sufi art depicts the prophet, and as you know the Sufi are Muslim. Are they blaspheming?

“Dave Miller, you would rather curl up under a rock somewhere than disturbing the peace of someones mind and soul.”

Bull.

Disturbing minds and souls is what gets things done. All great “revolutionaries” disturbed minds and souls. If I make you question your fundamental beliefs, then all the better for you, because you can come out of your quandry one of three ways:

Re-convicted: You have questioned your beliefs, and found them sound, and are stronger for it.

Disenchanted: You have questioned your beliefs, found them wanting, and can now seek out solid ground, and will be stronger for it.

Oblivious: You don’t know, don’t care, and will just re-affirm your beliefs, whether they’re right or not. Now you know what kind of person you really are.

Which group do you belong to?

Over the last few years I have been consistently impressed with the way that people have been able to excercise their right of freedom of speech. Everything from episodes of the Simpsons that poke fun at Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism in good humour, right up to the BNP leader Nick Griffin being cleared of the charge of “insighting racial hatred”.
It angers me to the point of dispair to see the muslim society’s blatent disregard for these freedoms that the western world has been so successfuly built upon. If they hate the laws and principles of this country so much then why not go back to where these freedoms are not held to the same degree.
Granted, they do have the right under our laws to protest against these cartoons but when death and destruction are threatened just because of a charicature of a profit, things are taken way too far.
We have no problem with any other race or religion of people… just the Muslims. I think it is time for us to stop taking these threats lightly and do something about it. Why should we feel threatened in our own country? I say fight back britain!

Are they whome are agree with such type of freedom of speech pacient if a person tell offensive words to them or to their parents?Is this FREEDOM OF SPEECH?!I am sorrry about west people becouse they havn’t understood that such works are planed wit sihyonists to macke a war against muslims and cristians.please think more aboute such things.

Most of us believe that there are proper responses to an insult and improper ones. If you insult me or my mother it would be proper for me to avoid you in the future or even to insult you and your mother in return. It isn’t proper for me to hit you.

Of course, in this case the response is not even just hitting as a response to an insult, but death threats (which must be taken seriously given similar events in the past), burning of embassies and the killing of a preist in turkey who was totally innocent of any insult. It is as if you insulted my mother, and in response I went on a violent rampage. At that point, whether or not your insult was appropriate or not becomes moot.

Indira: I understand you are a Hindu, and nothing offensive but you are an idolater, and in many artistic forms hindus deal with the figures of god in ways we as muslims consider ‘not-at-all-okay’. You can question it, but this is what explains why you think certain ‘uneducated mullahs’ behave in the same way in which the remaining 1.5b muslims do— all terrorists. Try to understand that it is a big issue for us muslims to see someone insulting our religion; abuse muslims, okay– but mock islam, nokay! And Indra, just to remind you of a recent historical fact from somewhere in Europe where pictures of one holy hindu god and goddess were put up on a certain brand of toilet-bowls; and I remember precisely what the un-uneducated hindus did in response to the ‘blasphemous’ provocation. You may say, the un-uneducated hindus did not atleast do violent protests…, yeah you are right, but the perpetrator of that offense, some ‘stupid’ manufacturer of toilet-bowls did apologise and recall his ‘produce’ to pacify emotions which were taking brutal forms every passing day. Ditto here! Muslims protested in the most humane ways for more than 4 months, but the only difference here is that the perpetrator did not even regret, leave alone apologise. He had to see people dying for his dirty deeds, and so is he doing.
Indra, I don’t say the Hindus were wrong in getting furious over the provocation. Hinduism is also a gift of the East and in the east religious sanctities are revered even with blood, if that is called for! And so is Islam…

Dave is talking, okay…
I understand that disturbing minds gets great things done. I understand that the apple which disturbed Newton’s mind got a great thing done. But just think, if Newton would have wanted to get a great thing achieved and would have taken the apple to the tree’s owner and disturbed the poor man’s mind with a flying apple, Newton would certainly been a loser!!! ‘Disturbing’ is just like most other words in human languages that have a different meaning in different contexts. You certainly are NOT supposed to disturb the peace of someone’s minds and souls because you come up to be a unnecessary supporter of an unnecessary ‘limitlessness’ of the responsible act of freedom-of-expression! If you make me or any other believer, be it Muslim, or Christian or Jew or Hindu or anybody else, question his beliefs, you are not at all going to succeed unless the guy is a loser like yourself. And just look at this aspect of your personality; you too are a human being with a fundamental belief to not believe the sanctity, or for that matter not believe at all! Nothing new in the human race! I, being a believer, would simply feel pity for you and say a prayer for you to get you to the path of praying your Creator, your God!

Come out of your black waters! If you sit down someday before going to bed (, the day when you are not drunk) and think of the reality that you are no more than a mortal who has for sure to die someday, you also would question your fundamental ‘belief’ of not believing. You have got at least three ways too I guess…to come out of the abyss that you are in now:

Uno: Oblivious: You know the truth of your moral vacuum, but you don’t care, and will just reaffirm your tendency to not believe, although it is NOT right. You just carry on in the darkness. Now you know what kind of a person the evil spirit has made of you.

Dos: Disenchanted: You have questioned your belief of not believing, seek more solid ground, stand up stronger for it, but still feel discontented about something. And to pacify your inner disenchantment, you begin to preach others to jump in the same well like you did. You become a hand of the evil spirit.

Tres: REBORN: You have questioned your beliefs, and found them hollow, and seek enlightenment. And because God in his infinite mercy is Omnipresent and all-Knowing, knows what you want and guides you to eternal peace of soul.

Which group do you WANT to belong to?

I expect sanity to prevail)

YOU ARE WRONG IF YOU THINK AND SAY THAT 1.5B MUSLIMS ARE WRONG IN DEMONSTRATING VIOLENTLY. Peaceful mouth-shut bannered protests against the degradation of my prophet Jesus Christ, did not get justice for the practicing christians! Infact the ‘freedom-of…’ artists have stooped to unfathomable depths in playing with the sanctity that christianity holds for Jesus, son of Mary. If only Christians of that day would have fed the meat of such free-artists to their dogs and cats, Satan would have not been successful in romping in the multitude of free-artist-asses against the religion of God, or against the prophet of God, Jesus Christ, son of Mary. May peace and blessings of God be upon Moses, Jesus, Mohammad and all the biblical prophets. And may God bless humanity with victory over the evil-spirit which leads people against the very Creator God Himself! Amen. And may the Sanctity of the relation of Mother and Father, and also Brother and Sister be restored again in the world, amen!

Min Aher, I worry that this thread is becoming a dialog of the deaf, and in that way illustrative of the breakdown between Islamists and the rest of civiliation. I agree with nearly all of your last post above except for when you get to the part about feeding artist meat to dogs. That goes against what other Muslims have told me their religion teaches, perhaps most prominently stated by Amir Taheri. He states “Islamic ethics is based on “limits and proportions,” which means that the answer to an offensive cartoon is a cartoon, not the burning of embassies or the kidnapping of people designated as the enemy.”

I wonder what your thoughts are on Taheri’s Op-Ed, because it contradicts you when you presume to speak for “1.5 billion Muslims”. You don’t speak for 1.5 billion Muslims. And the loudest voice or the toughest bully is not necessarily correct. And there is only one way to deal with bullies (hint: they are not particularly accessible to reason).

Pablo, without mingling words, lemme take back those words of killing. But, although not vehemently professing, I would say that Islamic laws do allow for death sentences for serious crimes. Blasphemy is universally accepted as a serious crime in Islam. What muslims would want is the free-press of the world to not abuse the sanctity of Islam; you could freely ridicule muslims, but please for god’s sake not Islam. That hurts! That is the equivalent of cutting my meat and feeding to dogs and cats. That really hurts. That hurts. That hurts. Please, it is not just freedom that you should pamper; you should also be responsible to harboring peace and amity. This animosity is not a knot between muslims and christians; it rather is between muslims and the misguided christians who mock their holy prophet too. This is against satanic tendencies of demeaning religion et all. Christian sanctities are thrown to the winds… Religious respect is a universal necessity, not that of muslims only. It just is a sad case, and when sad, you tend to get mad and when mad you tend to get gruesome and unlike yourself, and when you get to this point you forget your religion and every other teachings, and this is the time when you start to getting violent without any effort on self-reflection. Stop hurting in the name of freedom. Hurting stinks.

Min Aher,

I do respect Islam. That is one reason that I have not put up any of the cartoons on this site, although I did link to a Riding Sun post that displayed them.

I think that it is a mistake for Islamic countries to make blasphemy a crime. While I do not dispute their right to do so, I think that in the end it will harm Islam rather than help it. I also though expect Muslims to respect the right of other nations NOT to make blasphemy a crime.

I encourage Muslims to explain why an image of Mohammad (and others) is offensive to them. I encourage people to listen and refrain from giving offense. In this post, at the beginning of all of this I said:

It may be boorish behavior to publish something that is very offensive to certain groups. I would react favorably to a calm, reasoned argument that there are better ways to make a certain point.

Bomb threats make me wish I had sufficient artistic skills to make a cartoon Mohammad myself.

I stand by that statement. Not because I wish to offend, but because I think that violence and the threat of violence in response to speech, even offensive speech, is a very real threat to basic human freedom.

I am on the side of Muslims who say ‘don’t publish a picture of Mohammad because that is deeply offensive to my religion.’ I will happily support them in that.

Anyone though who says ‘Don’t publish something or I will hurt you’ is an enemy to basic values that I hold deeply. It is not just offensive to me, it is dangerous and carries within it the destruction of an important freedom.

Dave, thanks for your nice understanding. Let’s preach mutual harmony and peace, rather than force. Bomb threats were and are I guess out of instant anger: Like shouting back –I will kill you if you call me once more tonight. Just that. People who would kill would not shout out and advertise the reason for their capture.
And to add in here, most of the violence in the name of Islam is borne out of mostly the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Because muslims treat Islam as one brotherhood (I am not talking about the greedy dictators of the world), the Palestinians are looked at the world over as a people who have been cheated of their very homes by the formation of Israel after World War II in which the Palestinians or Muslims in general had no-major-to-nothing-at-all role. Just that. And one last thing; although Arabs were the first muslims, compared to the number of middle-eastern muslims, there are more muslims in India and Indonessia or countries of Africa. So Muslims are not just arabs.

One the one hand, I understand that not everytime some says ‘I’m gonna kill you’ do they mean it. However, it is unfortunate that we sort of have to take that kind of threat from Muslims pretty seriously. It seems to many of us that when a Muslim say ‘I’m gonna kill you’ he means it.

I certainly don’t believe that all Muslims are terrorists, and if I ever implied such a thing it was a mistake. I find it unfortunate that Islam has been so defamed by extremists and I look forward to a time when Muslim does not equal Terrorist in the minds of so many. I believe that will happen when Muslims are able to effectively fight back against those within their religion who have given it such a bad name.

Israel and Palestine is a problem, one that I have addressed before. However ‘unfair’ the establishment of Israel might have been, it is not something that can be undone. I support the two state solution.

I don’t care if there’s someone who don’t understand the reason why those cartoon can make some people angry..
I just do care that if there’s someone who have hurt someone’s feeling should apologize..
And the people who’ve hurt can accept the appologize..

Just be wise..
Be forgive and forgiven..

when i was at the first years of my university studying i read a book named “the Protocols of Leaders Zion” and i invite every true christian to read this book to see and infer the badness,violcity,the devil thinking of the Isralians.

for out christian friends , i am muslim and i do believe that the true christian never do this and as a muslim i invite you my christian friends to help us standing infront of this storm.

i do believe 100% that thoese people who did this they have deep roots to the Jewish “the killers of all Prophets”!!!

The Protocols is an anti-semetic forgery. I am sad for you that your university taught you hate and falsehood.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a far, far worse insult than any cartoon of Mohammad. It is a disgusting document, and if I could ever be convinced that something should be censored, it would be the first on my list.

I have a solution to the problem of Muslims having all of this time on their hands to run through the streets of cities in Europe and the Middle East firing rifles and blowing up peoples’ property. Let’s show them the ways of the western world where everyone has a car or two to make payments on, a home mortgage, three or four credit cards to pay off, a couple of kids to send to college, and maybe a parent or two who needs help financially or otherwise. I just realized that I actually have to spend several hours a day working in order to have money to support myself and my family. It never ceases to amaze me that the Muslim troublemakers seem to never go home, and never grow any food, never own a vehicle, and of course never have a job since they do not have to pay for any of these silly necessities. Hell, all we have to do is teach them to live like we do and they will have no time to murder and destroy.

Hi Bullcrap,
Reply to your post: No No No No No…..No
You are wrong in saying that the Muslims have no jobs to do, have no other business in life other than just being part of violent crowds. You come from a good country, all praise to God, but you would be amazed to see most of the third world countries where unemployment is the biggest disease. Still in these countries, people have the following stuff in their lives like the equivalent of your cars, mortgages and etc: Although there are a number of good jobs, many have to be satisfied with petty jobs. They do earn food for themselves and their loved ones. They do marry and take care of their wives and raise their children in the best of ways. They think it their pleasing responsibility to take care, both financially and otherwise, of their parents, one or two, whatever God has blessed them with until their adulthood. And above all of this, when it comes to matters of religion, they don’t mind being seen in the first lines of people defending the cause and respect of ones religion.
Just to tell you one little thing; You have lost this last major thing in your society. Rest every thing is present everywhere in the world, even the third-world countries, even if you deny this. I come from a third-world country, and I would like to use my past to endorse myself here. And as far as teaching them to live like you do is concerned, there’s nothing wrong in trying to do that; ‘cos that would atleast bring out the good christian in you. All the best.
And if it never cease to amaze you, it is rather misinformation and media-logy that is the barrier and the culprit. Did you hear of the frog which comes out of a well after most part of its life and realizes that the world did not end at the walls of the well as it had long cherished as truth!

Dave: Somehow you tend to get into a Jew’s shoes more better than a Muslims’. Never mind…
OK so the forged documents are more deserving of your idea of censorable than the cartoons. Being neither a Jew or a Muslim, you are not in any position to understand any sensitivities of ours, I mean Jews and Muslims. I know Jews suffered a lot in the first part of the last century, and my sympathies and prayers for those that did suffer those horrifying pains and destructions. But Dave, your ignorant statement, of this being more froward than the other, crops out of the bias that the world media has, escaping your realisation, forced you to adopt. Being a muslim, I still assert my opinion that insult to any religion is a shame for the person doing it himself. The Jews were never abused when they were under muslim rule, excepting exceptions. To be frank, anti-semitism is more of a European concept, than Arabian or American or Asian. And todays tussle between jews and arabs ( and therefore muslims in general ) is due to the illegal creation of Israel, which can’t be reversed now, but which in its creation is a mistake of the Europeans and their cult of anti-semitism. But for that, Jews and Christians are considered by muslims as the people of The Book, and therefore one like us who believe in monotheism…

Min Aher,
Put into perspective the reaction of the most visible Muslims worldwide when any subject arises whereby there is disagreement among people of different ethnic backgrounds, different economic strata, and/or different faiths. When the world views the reaction of Muslims we see a people who react with violence when there is no threat of violence toward Muslims.
It would be a wonderful world if there were no written of vocal insults. The reality is that all of us see and hear things that cause us to feel some
degree of insult from time to time. The fact is that no group of people in the world react with such violence and apparent hatred directed at their fellow man as do Muslims. The society into which I was born and reared to respect, teaches that you handle your own problems. If a member of my family or friends, or social circle behaved in a way that was unacceptable to the guidelines and teachings by which we live, we would have a heart to heart talk with the offender and explain why their action was wrong and suggest an alternative direction of conduct. I, and I feel that I am not alone, believe that it is time for responsible, peaceful Muslims to make it known to those within the Muslim faith who continue to take innocent people hostage, to bomb, burn, and kill in the name of all Muslims, that their actions are not representative of the majority of Muslims. If this is not done, it will certainly build the image that all Muslims are in agreement with this sector of fanaticism within the Muslim religion. I can only hope, as you stated, that someday soon the frog will see that his little part of the world is just that, a little part of the world. It would be wonderful if those who would kill and destroy because of a difference of opinion, would accept that their way may not be the only way. I am certainly not a young man, yet I learn something every day. Thank God.

The Cartoon Virus reaches Epidemic Proportions

The world is facing the spread of a new form of virus, a most dangerous virus; I’d like to call it the MC-12 virus (Mohammad Cartoons First 12). What has started as a single provocative publication’s effort to smear the name of the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and angered over 1.4 Billion Muslims worldwide (21% of the world’s population) has now infected the souls of many around the world.

Calling on the help of 12 mad cartoonists, the virus was first researched and produced in the labs of the Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper with the Star of David shining prominently within its Logo. The virus first infected Magazinet, oddly enough, a Christian newspaper, before anti-virus defenders stepped up to fight this malicious infection. I so wished that these first two publications did not associate themselves with two great respected religions of the book, as I am sure they bring shame to these two great religions, they bring shame to Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh).

Numerous attempts were made by anti-virus activists (Denmark’s Muslim Community) to quarantine the situation in Denmark, contain the virus, and provide a fix against permanent damage. But apparently, a design fault in the Danish free press system allowed those “hackers” to inject the virus knowing that the situation is without a remedy, and creating from Denmark a dangerous carrier of this MC-12 virus.

The MC-12 virus is spreading quickly because it operates much like modern computer internet viruses, as it masquerades itself behind friendly righteous pretenses in order to multiply and multiply quickly. This virus claims it is in defense of democracy and freedoms of speech and press, but supports discrimination, racism, hatred, and the destruction of co-existence. Any immune person can clearly see that there are more civilized non-provocative means to teach humanity about the freedom of press. Does freedom of press means freedom to publish child-pornography? Clearly this is unaccepted worldwide, so yes there must be limits to press freedoms and rightfully so.

Who is most likely to be infected by this virus?

This virus infects the bigoted, racist, and prejudiced individuals and press organizations who can exploit a fault in their press freedom system. It also infects the weak and ignorant, the easy-to-be-had and already pre-conditioned fearful of Muslims as a result of years of press-led discrimination and manipulative propagandas masterminded by those who wish to rule the world. Unfortunately it also infects the miss-guided and the fools, those who published the cartoons in Jordan and Malaysia in the name of showing how bad they are to their fellow Muslims.

The virus seems to be mutating?

While numerous publications worldwide have been infected and have become carriers of the MC-12 in whole or in part, some Swedes are keen on spreading a new deadlier strain of this virus, code named the MC-X, soon to be spread in Swedish newspapers. Hundreds of web-sites have already been infected by the MC-12 virus and numerous more dangerous strains.

Anti-viruses and methods of treatments:

1. One idea is to attack the MC-12 virus with a new IAHC-12 virus (Iran’s anti-holocaust cartoons) under the assumption that fear of spread of the IAHC-12 virus would lead to a containment of the MC-12 virus. This new virus seems to have some limited success against the original strain designed in the Jyllands-Posten labs. Such originating pro-Jewish carrier is now stating that it is definitely immune to the IAHC-12 virus (will not publish anti-holocaust cartoons) and has quarantined itself against other strains of the MC-12 virus by refusing to publish anymore Mohammad cartoons. However, early results show that there exists a potential risk within other non-Jewish friendly hosts in Europe to be equally infected by both of these viruses.

2. Another idea is for anti-virus activists to put economic pressures on the carriers to treat the viral infection through apologies and localized treatments (publishing of apologies and the true nature of Mohammad in an equal space and location to the published cartoons). Results show that boycotts have immediate effects and definitely create economically stirred anti-bodies within the infected communities to combat this virus and can be seen as a short-term local form against the spread of the virus. This form of treatment is also found to have limited success since no other publication in Denmark has gotten infected and published any new form of the MC-12 virus after such boycotts became in force. However, this did not prevent the virus from spreading and mutating into web sites and other countries, and still requires numerous apologies and proper education about the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) to counter the virus’ long-term damage.

3. One definite radical form of treatment, although inhumane, is to eradicate the virus producers/carriers through violent means; much like the way the world kills so many birds now (infected or not) to stop the spread of the bird-flu virus – such forms of treatment are usually done in times of desperations and lack of ability to contain. Calls for the mad cartoonists and publishers to be killed by some anti-virus activists may be seen as a form of desperation to stop the spread.

4. The cleanest form of retaliation against the virus must be a stronger immune system. Much like global laws have been enacted to limit the spread of the child-pornography virus, similar laws are needed against the MC-12 virus and other mutant strains. World leaders must recognize that dealing with this epidemic mental-health virus must be treated as a major priority, before it is too late and before radical anti-virus activists feel the only way to eradicate the virus is through violent means. We all must promote peace and harmony, co-existence and mutual understanding. Muslims must work harder to inform others about the true nature of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

5. It behooves me why in civil lawsuit cases judges in the west decide judgment values according to the amount of pain and suffering that one’s action caused another in a civil lawsuit, while they seem to care less for the pain and suffering that those cartoons have brought to hundreds of millions of Muslims. To test the fairness of those laws, perhaps what the anti-virus activists (Muslims) need to do is file major civil lawsuits in the name of pain and suffering against those newspapers for trillions of dollars and then spend the money on re-educating the west about the true nature of Mohammad. Maybe then, justice can be served the western style.

Who is immune to this virus?

Any person or organization that believes in the freedom of religion and the right of others not to be humiliated for what they believe. Any responsible, peace loving individual who truly understands free speech and the ideology behind it. Any intellectual immune to the evil propaganda targeted against Islam. Anyone who knows the greatness of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), last and unfortunately, any misguided person who fears Islam and Muslims (with the latter forming the weakest form of immunity).

Why a mere sorry is not enough?

By all human accounts, giving an apology or feeling sorry is not enough unless the context of the apology is given in the appropriate manner for the apology to be accepted by those who are hurt from the actions of those who are asked to apologize.

Below is the English dictionary definition of the words sorry and apologize:

sor•ry – adj. 1. Feeling or expressing sympathy, pity, or regret: I’m sorry I’m late. Worthless or inferior; paltry: a sorry excuse. 3. Causing sorrow, grief, or misfortune; grievous: a sorry development.

a•pol•o•gize – v. 1: acknowledge faults or shortcomings or failing; “I apologized for being late”; “He apologized for the many typoes”.

When an apology is given, the receiving party must not be forced to accept the apology unless the apology fairly meets the requirements to undo the hurt. Saying “I am sorry I hurt you”, but meaning “I feel it is fully righteous for me to do it again” defies the purpose of the apology. This is essentially what the Prime Minister of Denmark and the Jyllands-Posten Newspapers are now saying when they claim they are sorry.

Suppose a student says “I’m sorry I’m late”, but means “I feel it righteous to be late any time I wish” vs “I had no control over being late, and if it was my choice, I’d be on time” then will such apology be accepted? Or will the teacher be forced to reprimand the student so as to not allow for this to happen again. In the case of the Danish paper, they were not forced to publish the drawings but they made a conscious choice to publish them. So a mere sorry for the sake of it is not acceptable.

Based on Danish law, it is true that the Prime Minister of Denmark had no control over what the newspaper published, same is true for Danes, but however, the Prime Minister has the power to propose or support laws that prohibit such newspapers from insulting Islam or Christianity or Judaism for that matter, and Danes can vote for such laws. Freedom of expression is great for the purpose it was designed for, free speech against oppressive rulers and people in power and to allow one’s opinion to be voiced in hopes for positive change and a better life.

Fine if the Danish paper was portraying a living Muslim cleric or a ruler in a caricature as freedom of expression, Muslims can understand where clerics and rulers can be subjects of question, but when it comes to Allah (God), the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the holly Qur’An, and the 3 Holliest sites (Mecca, Medina, Aksa Mosque) and Islam as a religion, all the 1.4 Billion Muslims agree that these are untouchables and Danes as well as the rest of the West needs to understand this.

So we ask: What is gained from such use of freedom of expression in the case of the Danish paper? Did the Danish paper wish to ask the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to cease to be a prophet? Did the Danish paper wish to have Muslims stop being Muslims? Or is the Danish paper attempting to smear the image of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to discourage conversions to Islam and misrepresent to Danes what Islam is all about? Where is this freedom of expression going to help Danes? Is this the most civilized form for the Danish paper to promote freedom of expression? Or is this form in fact so uncivilized? Is the newspaper hiding behind “Freedom of Expression” to execute a vile agenda against Islam? Are the other European Newspapers responding to that same hiding agenda by publishing the same?

The Drawings Row is not about Danish Muslims alone, it has now affected Muslims worldwide. Putting pressure on Danish Muslims living inside Denmark to accept an apology in the form that the one apologizing sees best fit is not acceptable. Certainly I do not represent the voice of all Muslims either; however, I do hope that Muslims and non-Muslims vote here on a simple questionnaire to what is an acceptable form of apology.

Now if you agree with me, an apology must be in a form where it can be fairly accepted by those insulted, and those who are insulted should have the right to state the rules of fairness for that type of apology and it is acceptable for outsiders to objectively voice their opinions on such fairness. In my opinion, one of the fairest requests for the proper type of apology came out of Dar Al-Fatwa in Lebanon (vote here if you agree). Dar Al-Fatwa, I believe, properly stated the form of apology to be accepted.

1) For all the newspapers who published those drawings to print formal apologies in those same newspapers and on the same pages previously published.

2) For those newspapers to allow accredited Muslims to explain in an equal space and placement to the west what is Islam. Certainly, there is no harm in apologizing in such a manner and for the west to truly understand Islam is sure promoting a peaceful coexistence. Ignorance is the root cause of all hatred, a little dose of knowledge about Islam by such western publications is sure to promote peace.

when it comes to Allah (God), the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the holly Qur’An, and the 3 Holliest sites (Mecca, Medina, Aksa Mosque) and Islam as a religion, all the 1.4 Billion Muslims agree that these are untouchables and Danes as well as the rest of the West needs to understand this.

Why should Danes and the rest of the West have to live by Islamic law? Many of us do not hold Mohammad in any special esteem as an emisary of God, and don’t think he, or the Qur’An or the holy sites of Islam are particulary special. We don’t expect Muslims to follow Christian traditions, or even liberal western traditions if they do not wish to, why should we be forced to follow Muslim traditions?

It is polite to not degrade objects another person views as holy. However, it is a mistake in thinking that there should be laws to enforce politeness. Being offended by another person, and talking about it (or ignoring it) rather than responding violently is part of being a grown up.

I also question those who call for an apology from Denmark and all Danes because of the publishing of a few cartoons but seem to have no problem with threats of violence and the burning of embassies. Should all Muslims apologize because Danish embassies were burned? I don’t think so, but they should be clear in condemning these acts of violence.

The Cartoons didn’t hurt anyone or anything except to ‘give offense.’ It seems to me that anyone greviously offended by such a small thing has a very low sense of self worth. Perhaps that is what these protests and violence are all about, a primal scream to the world saying ‘notice me, value me.’

I don’t think that any press agency who has published these cartoons needs to apologize. However, I would welcom Muslims explaining more about their religion. It is indeed difficult for many of us to understand what you believe, partially because from an outsiders view anyway, your statements and actions often appear contradictory.

Bullcrap,
Okay something new for your knowledge in your dotage:
We as muslims cannot take any insult of any prophet of God. We cannot digest any insult to any Islamic Sanctities even if it be a minor thing in the eyes of the doer. And further, more water for your knowledge tree, we as muslims do not want non-muslims to feel forced in not doing so; it is something which we want as a basic respect for us as men and women from the same planet as yours.
Thanks for telling me that you learn everyday; it is a good sign of wisdom… I am learning.
And to top it off, let us look at it in words that you alrady have a knowledge of: Take it as one very important Human Right of one-fifth of humanity…

I’ll take this one step further: I can be equally tolerant of someone who is a devout muslim as I am of someone who is a degenerate atheist artist. Although I may disagree with both, if one threatens the other I naturally side with the threatened party, as I support their rights to coexistance.

Min Aher, you are still speaking as if you were appointed the spokesman for one-fifth of humanity. That’s obviously false.

Fuck you christian……….

If you cannot compromise on this, then it will be a long war. I refuse to live under Sharia.

Armand, You are not a Muslim okay. This Armand guy is somebody who is from the hidden group which prophesises and is working to generate hatred between christians and muslims and put both the great people in tumult and uncertainty and confusion and degenerate to self-obliteration. This Armand guy is neither a christian, as is obvious, and nor is he a muslim, which is not that obvious to a normal human being. Dave Justus, thanks for reminding what the blog moralities are, but can’t you put distasteful language into trash rather than on this discussion board.

Pablo, good words. Equally good are here to follow:
You are acting as if you are acting as an ambassador for the remaining four-fifths.
No one wants you to live under sharia; we as muslims in this western part of God’s land, just want our western brethren to not abuse our islamic sanctities.
If you would devoutly incline towards the threatened, I would like to see you stand up for Iran for being threatened in the future for making fun of one big mess called holocaust perpetrated by animals in a european nation. Iran is equally wrong in doing this as would any caricatures mocking palestinian sufferings of today.

Min,

I have never censored comments on this blog in any way. While I don’t generally approve of crude language, I think my readers can handle seeing it. If repeated abuses were to occur and troll like behavior ensues I may have to revise that policy. I hope I never have to and that most people will continue to engage in informed and polite discussion. In my opinion, it is best to simply ignore those who don’t follow this behavioral pattern, rather than encouraging them by responding.

As for Iran and Holocaust denial, I believe that Iran as a nation, as well as individual Iranians, have a right to say what they wish. I certainly reserve my right to call them out on such statements and to point our that they are incorrect and fueled by bigotry. I would also point out that there are dangers inherent in having a nation lead by people who are that bigoted having nuclear weapons.

The problem with ‘offense’ or ‘santity’ being a reason to suppress free speech is that it will continually extend. I imagine that you would be happy with depictions of Mohammad being banned because they give offense, but you probably would be very unhappy with, for example, having it be a crime to say homosexuality is a sin. Earlier in this thread you called Indira an idolator. That could be considered offensive to a large number of people on the planet. Should we make it illegal to proclaim the virtues of monotheism?

Almost anything will be offensive to someone. Being offended occassionally is part of the cost of a free society. One can legitimately work to raise awareness but to try and proclaim that you offense deserves special protection is a path that will inevitably lead to the end of free speech and free expression. It is such good intentions that forge the chains of tyranny.

Dave, I ardently urge you to not encourage the erasure of the freedom of speech due to mistakes of over-zealous provocators. This is where, you and I differ. I consider it an utmost important aspect of a human beings life to have a morally sound character. Degeneration of humane society to one of animals, where prophets and gods are no more worthy of respect, is a sad development. If you think that religion is something which should not be held to that high esteem that if somebody mocks at it one should at the least ‘drink one’s anger and pee out’, or at the most praise it as a form of art or free speech; then I would say this is where opinions divide.

Regarding Indira, I never meant to be offensive to him for his Idolatory. Idolatory is their religion and I, being from India, have a lot of Hindu friends who sometimes are chanting Hindu prayers in an adjacent room when I am offering my prayers to God. Idolatory is no question-mark in many of my hindu friends, as is my monotheism not any issue with them.
I used the word, Idoalatory, just to remind Indira that he was being unnecessary critical when he did not understand the pain muslims were having to deal with. I then went on to tell him the pain many hindus feel when some such sad-freedom things happen against their gods too. Hindus are sensitive to religion too; that is what I wanted to communicate as a point then, which I think Indira understood, and if he didn’t may God help him understand the Indian cultural ideals, amen. A link should help you, Dave , to understand my point here: One of many hindu protests…
http://www.bennyhinn.org/yourlife/InTheNews-Religion-News/Hindus-Protest-British-Christmas-Stamp.html

The problem is that morally sound character is subjective. There are people who believe all religion is evil, and given the many mistakes humanity has made with regards to religion they can make a pretty good case. Some people are ‘offended’ at any mention of religion.

I think that they are mistaken, but I hold that they have a right to feel that way, just as you have a right to revere Mohammad. Both groups should be free speak out about why they feel the way the do and convince others as best they can. Both groups should be free to say that the other is wrong, ignorant, or whatever. What neither group should be free to do is use violence to silence the other, either directly or indirectly using the Government as a proxy.

Obviously, this becomes complex when it is the Government speaking, either by posting the ten commandments in a courthouse or issuing a stamp. There is a good deal of debate on that, and in the end Government will have to act one way or another. That is far away from a violent protest and embassy burning in response to the publication of a cartoon though.

Although I do not support violence, I also think that the act of provocation to violence is violence in itself. These guys had no other intention other than provocation.
And if they are among those people who have the right to detest all religions, let them announce that the current animosity is between atheists and muslims, and not between christians and muslims.
That would be a fair game. And even if they do not declare such a thingy, these shameless perverts show no signs of being the followers of Jesus, the son of Mary. Infact, had these ‘humans’ (excuse my french) been in the days of Jesus Christ, they would not be among the wailing followers; rather they would be amongst ‘humans’ (excuse my french) making a protracted mockery of his situation.
So let us all pray for sanity to prevail. Let’s not accuse the protests, let us stifle the cause. Neither group should use violence to threaten the other, yeah you are right. If your acts rip my heart and give me a migraine from continuous mental torture, then they should be counted as violence. If your acts rip my head open and splatter my parts all over, then they should be counted as violence. Muslims and christians were living amicably, except for the non-religious tensions of immigrants. And then suddenly some ‘human (excuse my french) succeeds wonderfully in guising his anti-immigrant fervor in the violent face of crusade. O how easy it was for him!
If I would be the premier of Denmark, I would not have apologised to the world too as it was the mistake of some ‘humane’ (excuse my french) freedom. But in the name of eternal peace and larger good for my country, I would have taken measures to prevent such provocations which are completely uncalled for, and certainly not on the ideals of christianity or plain Humanity either. And the debate goes on, blah blah…

Provocation to violence cannot equal violence. Nearly everyone who indulges in violence claims that they were provoked, from the scum who beats his kids to insane mass murderers. I feel that claims that Muslims who engaged in violence are not at fault (or no more at fault than the Cartoonists) is simply wrong.

If the mafia says ‘pay protection money or I’ll burn down your business’ and I refuse am I ‘provoking’ violence? It is my fault if my business gets burned? In many ways, I think that is the tactic that some elements of the Islamic community have taken toward free speech. Don’t criticise, don’t mock or we will burn down you building. That is unacceptable to me, and I don’t think that confronting such, or even purposefully provoking it, is a wrong thing to do.

People that are offended are in complete control of how much they wish to be offended. They are in control of whether they wish to ignore it or make it something that rips their heart and gives them a migraine. This is a choice that can be made, and there is also a choice in how to proceed with others.

Speech is Violence
Violence is Speech

Very Orwellian, isn’t it?

well, some people say that to publish a mohammad cartoons is a good idea and why muslims are protesting. who ever is saying that, if he has got courage, come infront of any muslim, even a bad muslim who doesn’t follow his prophet’s teachings, he would be killing him at a spot. If muslims respect every religion, so whats wrong with other people. every non-muslim counteries, are against muslim countries. i am telling you guys, the world is going to be chenged very soon and muslims are going to change that. Just wait and watch.

I think that Buddhists should kill anyone who is not a pacifist.

I think that Christians should kill anyone who does not belive that Jesus is The Lord.

I think that Hindus should kill everyone who does not follow Kali.

I think that Muslims should kill everyone who breaks one of the Prophet’s laws.

I think..

I think that is stupid. If you disagree with something that is put into a newspaper, do you bomb the newspaper, or write a letter?

I would posit that a civilized person would write a letter. You cannot win a war of ideas with bullets. Killing those that disagree simply polorize the issue, making the situation far worse.

The only way that we are going to solve this is with open, honest and frank discorse. With both sides putting down their arms, and actually talking.

What I have seen however, is that one of the sides is not content to put down their arms and talk. Until that happens, this is going to be a sad world.

Nice Kid, Tsykoduk.
Go get your diapers changed…

Dave, let’s start back from square one, then n-th time now. Let me put down your words here:
“People that are offended are in complete control of how much they wish to be offended. They are in control of whether they wish to ignore it or make it something that rips their heart and gives them a migraine. This is a choice that can be made, and there is also a choice in how to proceed with others.”

Okay the square one thingy: You believe that one has a choice. I don’t believe that one has a choice. You believe that offense can be gulped in religion or whatever. I don’t think that offense can be gulped in religion, but again I do think that offense has to be gulped in ‘whatever’ else.

Hey Gondal, As Salaam alai Kum.
If you are a muslim, you should know what to talk and how.
If you are pretending to be a muslim, I still expect better from you, better than sowing seeds of hatred.

That is exactly what I am talking about.

I wish the Muslims who are furious over these cartoons and rampaging blazing the Danish Embassies had the same sensitivity when the Talibanis blasted to smithereens the Bamiyan Buddhas that stood for twenty-three centuries in the Bamiyan valley

–Asoka Weerasinghe

RE:
That is exactly what I am talking about.

I wish the Muslims who are furious over these cartoons and rampaging blazing the Danish Embassies had the same sensitivity when the Talibanis blasted to smithereens the Bamiyan Buddhas that stood for twenty-three centuries in the Bamiyan valley

–Asoka Weerasinghe

And though I grew solemn within my heart, I did not anger. Solemn in my heart because I knew that those responsible would receive immediate retribution for such an action ( their intolerant behavior, the insulting of Buddha nature through destruction of earthly representations [not idols as no worship to statues]) and I felt genuine compassion for their unawakened souls.

The problem I think we have here is that Min Aher adheres to the idea of “Fighting Words“, and many of us feel the very concept to be repugnant. Unfortunately, even the U.S. court system adheres to the concept, though it obviously applies a much more limited definition than it seems some Muslims do.

Until everyone agrees that there simply is no insult worth dying over, I fear this sort of violence will go on.

hmm Miller, I never knew that.
Well you never cease to learn, ha ha hah.
Thanks for telling me what my problem is…

Good day MIN AHER, As Salaam alai Kum.

How are you? i hope that you will be best of your health. Well, i know i was being arrogant and this is not a muslim’s way of life or treatment to others, but you know that what happened and what they did about our prophet. If they say or do any thing against our religion or anything, we also have right to react, as we want. You know that why don’t we do like that what I said in last views because our religion and our prophet’s teachings don’t allow us to do that. Mr. Min Aher, I reckon that they want us to do that. I am not getting emotional, but they provoked Muslims again. I think Muslims are again going to forgive them because its Muslims quality and prophet’s teachings to forgive even your enemies. I presume that at this pint, you would be agreeing with me.

Regards,
Gondal

How are you? i hope that you will be best of your health. Well, i know i was being arrogant and this is not a muslim’s way of life or treatment to others, but you know that what happened and what they did about our prophet. If they say or do any thing against our religion or anything, we also have right to react, as we want. You know that why don’t we do like that what I said in last views because our religion and our prophet’s teachings don’t allow us to do that. Mr. Min Aher, I reckon that they want us to do that. I am not getting emotional, but they provoked Muslims again. I think Muslims are again going to forgive them because of its Muslims quality and prophet’s teachings to forgive even your enemies. I presume that at this pint, you would be agreeing with me.

Regards,
Gondal

“we also have right to react, as we want”

It is obviously true that anyonce can react to anything however they wish to react to anything. I can react to the color of someone’s shirt by hitting them if I wish. However, one cannot justifiably react to something in any way that they wish to.

I am certainly no expert on Islam, but I believe that it contains the ‘an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth’ prescription common to the Abramhamic religions. This sets a maximum on a just reaction to something. I cannot justifiably kill you if you take out my eye, the most I can justifiably demand in your own eye.

That principle seems applicable here. A cartoon for a cartoon, or, to broaden this, free speech of you own in response to speech of another, not violence in response to speech.

That is what those of us who favor speech are asking for. You can dislike the cartoons all you wish. You can protest them, write letters, demonstrate, make fun of us in return all that you want. What we demand is that you do not engage in violence or threat of violence as your response.

I certainly hope that this is in fact compatible with Islam. If it is not, it seems impossible to me for the West and Islam to co-exist.

If it is not, it seems impossible to me for the West and Islam to co-exist.

It is really sad, but I am beginning to think that as Islam is practiced today it just might be incompatible with civilized society. I certainly hope that the moderates can bring the radicals back into the fold, and this culture of hatred can be unwound.

Again, this is not something that I think the West can accomplish. I think that it’s up to the Muslims themselves. We can help – but there is going to come a point where it’s us or them, and pacifism be dammed, I want our society to survive. Flaws and all, it’s more free and open then any other society that we have seen on the planet.

Eye for an Eye is not Abrahamic; it is Hammurabic. A Persian, if I’m not mistaken….

hey danish,u have 2 respect the idias of others (Muslim).becoz v all live in this world,if v not respect the culture and the paradigm of each other so v cant develope or live,dear u have to feel sorry about this fool behavour over HOLY PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH)’s cartoon.c all Muslims over the world condemed.
me and my friends also seriously shocked over this incident so never do this type of act.
ihsan ruhandesh

Hammurabi was Sumerian, not Persian. Certainly his code is the earliest historical record we have of the ‘eye for an eye’ concept. However, it came into Judaism, Christianity and Islam through Abraham, not the code of Hammurabi which was only rediscovered fairly recently. Abraham, being from the Sumerian city of Ur, would have been familiar with Hammurabic law and doubtless that code prompted his usage of it.

Eye for an eye? I believe in that. So how does some self appointed Pakistan Muslim cleric get people to follow his direction to kill the cartoonist who drew the picture of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban? He and his cohorts place a $1,000,000 bounty on the head of the cartoonist. Would a straight thinking individual believe this is an eye for an eye? Talk about overreaction!

In reference to the comment by Min Aher:
And I quote Min Aher: “Let’s not accuse the protests, let us stifle the cause.” Does this sound like the rantings of a notorious leader in Germany in the late 30′s and early 40′s? I view this statement by Min Aher to reveal his feelings that no one should be allowed to question the violent behavior of some Muslims, and those who do should be stifled. Now that’s the kind of thinking that will make friends for you throughout the rest of the world Min Aher. I cannot believe that people who on the surface seem to have at least average intelligence and education would allow themselves to follow anyone who proclaims that his religion, any religion, calls for the destruction of any person or group of persons who have cause to disagree with them. Take a step back, and realize that the now famous cartoon is not the beginning of the violence perpetuated by Muslims. The cartoon is only one result of Muslim violence. Preaching violence and taking action to further violence has become a way of life for some Muslims in more and more areas of the globe. Muslims’ own words proclaim, as Min Aher suggests in his statement, that if you do not agree with the views of the most radical of radical Muslims, that they will destroy you. How can those within the Muslim religion who believe in peace and harmony with their fellow man allow such violence to be the segment of their religion that most of the rest of the world sees?
It is time for peace loving people, whether Muslim or not, to stand together saying and showing that enough is enough. If people everywhere would divert their loyalty and their resources away from those who would lead you to violence, soon you would see peaceful resolutions to problems we may have and the violent would be leaders would be seen for what they truly are.

Hi Mates,

How are you guys doing? Let me tell you some thing about Mohammad, the prophet of all Muslims and for the other world also. After listening lots of stories, which were true and clear about Mohammad (P.B.U.H). If these cartoons would have got published at that time when Mohammad (P.B.U.H) was alive on this earth, he would have gone to see that person who designed these cartoons if he got sick. He took care of him in his sickness and after getting well, he would have told him to design those cartoons again “if YOU WANT TO”. So, being a Muslim and follower of my great prophet (P.B.U.M), Mr. Cartoonist, if u need my help in sickness, you are always welcome. I would be taking care of you because the final results are going to be announced on judgment day. I can only say to you, “BEST OF LUCK”.

Regards,

GONDAL

Quoting the bull on his crap:
“And I quote Min Aher: “Let’s not accuse the protests, let us stifle the cause.” Does this sound like the rantings of a notorious leader in Germany in the late 30’s and early 40’s? I view this statement by Min Aher to reveal his feelings that no one should be allowed to question the violent behavior of some Muslims, and those who do should be stifled”

Ha ha ha ha ha…… you are funny.

Gondal, hamdullah aaqi, you have a point.
Let me not be misinterpreted for anything. I do not encourage or entertain violence in the name of islam. But all I was telling all this while is that consequences, legitimiate or illegi.., are the consequence of actions. You can’t jump in a bush and complain being pricked. It is in everybody’s wisdom to avoid unnecessary provocation( tell me one reason why it is necessary, now don’t tell me freedom of speech ). These publishings are the equivalent of provocations that happen in India and other lands where some miscreants throw dead pigs into mosques, and the muslim zealots respond by violence and landing dead cows in temples. So silly and unrequired stuff, right? Right!! So too are these cartoons. Just ruining the peace of Denmark, of Europe, of Middle-East, of Pakistan, of my native India, and of many other lands.
One thing to be underlined in here: This is not a fight of Muslims against Christians; it is a struggle between the religion of God in general and the Evil Spirit in a larger perspective.
Many State Government Assemblies in India have, irrespective of religion and caste, unanimously condemned Denmark for the blasphemous and unnecessary provocation. The Hindu Faithfuls have also condemned on the same lines the derogatory depictions of their gods and goddesses. Faithlessness is not necessarily a sign of modernity or westernism. Indians are sensitive to religion and still are an upcoming force, withing around 60 years of independence.
So bullcrap, nothing to offend you brother, but we will all have to dwell together on the land of God, and the only way to do that is to be respectful of others’ values and SANCTITIES. Thanks to your comments, I find myself to be more Muslim now, hamdullah brother, may God bless you. Amen. And may peace descend on the mortal earth from the eternal heavens, please God please, amen…!

Gondal,

I certainly agree that if Allah is offended by these cartoons he is capable of extracting justice for the offense on his own and does not need the help of violent people here. In some ways, taking God’s justice into ones own hand for things such a blasphemy seems very presumptious to me.

Mohammad means a lot to Muslims and we all should respect him.
All Muslims around me respect my religion and we should respect them.

Dave Justus,
How are you doing? Hoping, you would be best of your health. Well, I am not taking any one’s justice in my hands. I can’t even thing about it. I was just relaxing that cartoonist. hehehhehehe

Gondal

I don’t even know what to say. Understanding is obviously the key to resolving all conflicts. Muslim anger towards the West is one thing, I can understand that. But “Massacre Infidels/Non believers”? Not a chance am I going to stand for that. Perfect ending to the blog, exactly my sentiments.

Dears, everywhere and everyrelegios or even seculars,
any human loves peace and happiness, but it is not possible unless we undestand eachother. we never expect to have same opinion about everythings but we have to know never cross the red line which is different in different cultures and different relegious, even you, seculars, have some must and do not must.

Dave, I’m sick and tired of getting these whiny, sick, pathetic, imbicilic, uneducated, stupid, ignorant (please add your own adjective) comments sent to me via e-mail. Please figure out a way to discontinue this.

In regards to Min Aher aka Pork-Lover, Gondal a.k.a. Just Loser and all the other peace-loving Muslims that have so patiently expressed their hate on this post, Dave it just goes to show that all I’ve been telling you over the past (what 2 years?) seems to be accurate. See, the palis will NEVER EVER reconcile with Israel’s existence, nor will Bin-Laden ever reconcile with the existence of every infidel. Nor, for that matter will bastards such as Min-Aher ever reconcile with the fact that there are other individuals out there who don’t agree with the hate that he spews on a daily basis. In general I think it’s about time to nuke Islam before it nukes us(and trust me, Dave that’s the first thing Ahma…whatever would do if he ever got his hands on those nukes.)

Peace in the Middle East(in my great-great-great-kids days), Greg or proudly, Eitan.

p.s. Here’s some Hebrew just for the fanatical Muslims who’ve been posting here:יהי ארץ ישראל השלמה

eat shit “greg”. no wonder ppl of ur kind are hated by so many races out there u arrogant ignorant little prick.

Not strangely, I feel the same way about you, “Jasmine”. BTW: Have you ever wondered how many Arabs have received the Nobel Prize as compared to Jews?

Dave: Now you’re probably wondering what went wrong in this experiment. Let me tell you: most Muslims are simply inapt to dealing with differences of opinion whereas more advanced people are. You’ll excuse me for not paying too much attention to comments of no intellectual significance.

hahaha if ur too “good” to ” pay too much attention to comments of no intellectual significance.” then u wouldn’t have replied in the first place….ppl like u really amuse me…full of shit….so eat it my friend!…got nobody in the real world to listen to ur bullshit so u decide to post it online..a loser too…not surprized!…were u emotionally abused as a kid that u feel the need to hide behind ur little screen and talk shit about ppl u have no idea about so u can feel “bigger”?
i’ve got a life to go to so bubye sweet little child…good luck,really

Please figure out a way to discontinue this

Simply be reading the bottom of each email that you receive from this site, you will see a ‘manage subscriptions’ link. That will allow you to stop getting the updates.

jasmine, learn how to spell you ignoramus. dave, you don’t need to learn how to spell since you’re not an ignoramus.

Thanks for giving them that information Tsyko.

People, this is my space. I welcome different opinions of all sorts. I want everyone to be free to comment on any issue I blog about, and everyone is free to disagree with me, or anyone else.

However, it is my space and while disagreement is fine, rudeness and personal attacks is not. Greg, you were particularly out of line in this case and I ask you to refrain from such things in the future.

I hope that this reminder toward courtesy is enough.

Thanks,

Dave Justus

By The Grace of Allah and his help; The Printing of The Holy Koran: English Translation of “The Meanings and Commentary” is Completed at King Malcolm Tombs Holy Qur-an Printing Complex; 10 Downing Street under The Auspices of the Ministry of Jinns and Endowments, The Kingdom of United KIngdom SW1A 2AA.

Note: King Malcolm Tombs, in UK MI6 is using UK communications {GCHQ} for Cyber terrorism/ Cyber espionage/ Cyber surveillance/ Cyber sex as subjected to for the past eleven years. Having no equal representatioin before the law, no redress at any time. Tombs afilliate CIA/ FBI, stealing from both by wireless for the past eleven years.
Malcolm Tombs residing 7 Tregowan Close, Stoke on Trent Burslem ST6 7EQ UK is cause for global terrorism, global surveillance, Civil/ Constitutional/ Human rights violations as in UK MI6 {intelligence}. threats? send to ghstdtnee@yahoo.com

having permanent physical injury due to acts by “King” Malcolm in the UK {Tombs having copy of this email}, the UK harbors and conceals as may terroristst as does iran/ iraq

Koran published by King Malcolm Tombs; Holy Qur-an Printing Complex 10 Downing Street

By The Grace of “Allah” and his help {The dude prophet of Allah}; The Printing of The Holy Qur-an: The English Translation of “The Meanings and Commentary” is completed at 10 Downing Street London SW1AA 2AA by “King” Malcolm Tombs and his Jinn Steven; both in the Mistry of Defense, Ministering under the Jinn in The Kingdom of United UK.

King Malcolm Tombs Exporting terrorism from the UK as a soverign nation, Global espionage, Global surveillance and other Civil/ Constitutional/ Human righgts violations {including Torture by I.T. and Telecommunications.

“King” Malcolm Tombs {dwelling under the hand of a small JInn} resides with Jinns Suzanne and Joy at 7 Tregowan Close Stoke on Trent ST6 7 EQ UK; works 24 Cumberland Tce Willington Co Durham DL15 OPB UK

By The Grace of “Allah” and his help {The dude prophet of Allah}; The Printing of The Holy Qur-an: The English Translation of “The Meanings and Commentary” is completed at 10 Downing Street London SW1AA 2AA by “King” Malcolm Tombs and his Jinn Steven; both in the Mistry of Defense, Ministering under the Jinn in The Kingdom of United UK.

King Malcolm Tombs Exporting terrorism from the UK as a soverign nation, Global espionage, Global surveillance and other Civil/ Constitutional/ Human righgts violations {including Torture by I.T. and Telecommunications.

“King” Malcolm Tombs {dwelling under the hand of a small JInn} resides with Jinns Suzanne and Joy at 7 Tregowan Close Stoke on Trent ST6 7 EQ UK; works 24 Cumberland Tce Willington Co Durham DL15 OPB UK

ghstdtnee@yahoo.com

“King” Malcolm Tombs intercepted email. Note I have been subjected to permanent injury as result of actions by uk mi6; denied Civil redress etc.

good post about, nonetheless! i do not want to be so negative however i do believe your website could look better if you would have a little white on it No, you don’t need to agree… this is merely my humble thoughts and opinions. Many thanks for a good post anyhow! Thanks, Resan