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	<title>Comments on: CIA interrogation compromise</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2006/09/18/cia-interrogation-compromise/#comment-4144</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick:  Having the debate be only on one side is useful because, in the end, you can't beat something with nothing.  The impression I get is that Democrats are being silent on an issue that I think a lot of people think is important.  It seems to me that that can't help but benefit the Republicans.

Perhaps their might be an opportunity for Democrats to seize this and channel it into their own agenda, but I don't think so.  Other than the narror issue of torture, McCain (for example) isn't going to be working with Democrats on things that are central to the Democrats agenda.  I think that in a different world this would present an opportunity for Democrats, but since Democrats still haven't successfully articulated a post 9-11 security position, leaving us to try and divine one from criticisms of Bush alone, there is no opportunity here.

Katinula:  Regardless of how many Democrats oppose this legislation, I don't know that you can say their opposition is 'well known.'  The 'leader' of the opposition here is McCain, most Democrats, probably out of fear of being 'weak on terror' have been fairly quiet about it.  I don't deny that they story is the story for the reasons you articulate, what I contend is that this benefits Republicans.  

I think a lot of people, with a wide range of political views in other areas, are genuinely concerned and troubled over how to deal with the growing threat of non-state actors and how that will affect the stability and security of the world.  How treaties such as the Geneva Conventions relate to the changing world, what the moral calculus of torture weighed against possible mass casualty attacks is, and how to maintain liberty and also promote security.  

These issues matter to people, and most I think sense that their isn't a simple answer.  A political party that gave a simple answer or was unable to answer the question at all will, I think, cause a lot of people to wonder about their seriousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick:  Having the debate be only on one side is useful because, in the end, you can&#8217;t beat something with nothing.  The impression I get is that Democrats are being silent on an issue that I think a lot of people think is important.  It seems to me that that can&#8217;t help but benefit the Republicans.</p>
<p>Perhaps their might be an opportunity for Democrats to seize this and channel it into their own agenda, but I don&#8217;t think so.  Other than the narror issue of torture, McCain (for example) isn&#8217;t going to be working with Democrats on things that are central to the Democrats agenda.  I think that in a different world this would present an opportunity for Democrats, but since Democrats still haven&#8217;t successfully articulated a post 9-11 security position, leaving us to try and divine one from criticisms of Bush alone, there is no opportunity here.</p>
<p>Katinula:  Regardless of how many Democrats oppose this legislation, I don&#8217;t know that you can say their opposition is &#8216;well known.&#8217;  The &#8216;leader&#8217; of the opposition here is McCain, most Democrats, probably out of fear of being &#8216;weak on terror&#8217; have been fairly quiet about it.  I don&#8217;t deny that they story is the story for the reasons you articulate, what I contend is that this benefits Republicans.  </p>
<p>I think a lot of people, with a wide range of political views in other areas, are genuinely concerned and troubled over how to deal with the growing threat of non-state actors and how that will affect the stability and security of the world.  How treaties such as the Geneva Conventions relate to the changing world, what the moral calculus of torture weighed against possible mass casualty attacks is, and how to maintain liberty and also promote security.  </p>
<p>These issues matter to people, and most I think sense that their isn&#8217;t a simple answer.  A political party that gave a simple answer or was unable to answer the question at all will, I think, cause a lot of people to wonder about their seriousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Katinula</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2006/09/18/cia-interrogation-compromise/#comment-4143</link>
		<dc:creator>Katinula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not a debate happening on one side.  Democrats have made their opposition to this well known.  The issue is that some Republicans are bucking the President which, (1) doesn't happen all that often and (2) is stopping the passing of this law (although their are supposedly more, lower key Republicans who are against Bush on this as well.  The story is so republican-centric b/c if the republicans werent breaking with Bush, this would already be reality as the Dems couldnt stop it.  All high profile democrats have come out against Bush on this...its just not as exciting a story as having McCain and Bush on a collision course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not a debate happening on one side.  Democrats have made their opposition to this well known.  The issue is that some Republicans are bucking the President which, (1) doesn&#8217;t happen all that often and (2) is stopping the passing of this law (although their are supposedly more, lower key Republicans who are against Bush on this as well.  The story is so republican-centric b/c if the republicans werent breaking with Bush, this would already be reality as the Dems couldnt stop it.  All high profile democrats have come out against Bush on this&#8230;its just not as exciting a story as having McCain and Bush on a collision course.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lightbody</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2006/09/18/cia-interrogation-compromise/#comment-4141</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Lightbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it in the Republican's advantage to have this debate internally? If this were happening in the other party, I'm positive Rove et all would pounce on this, showing that they are indecisive on security. Considering that most of the Republicans are still backing Bush, this also seems like the Democrats are being given a perfect opportunity to grab hold of three high level, very likable Senators and use them for their own agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it in the Republican&#8217;s advantage to have this debate internally? If this were happening in the other party, I&#8217;m positive Rove et all would pounce on this, showing that they are indecisive on security. Considering that most of the Republicans are still backing Bush, this also seems like the Democrats are being given a perfect opportunity to grab hold of three high level, very likable Senators and use them for their own agenda.</p>
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