Comments on: Mecca agreement http://www.davejustus.com/2006/10/21/mecca-agreement/ None Sine Causa Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:06:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: probligo http://www.davejustus.com/2006/10/21/mecca-agreement/#comment-4604 probligo Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:24:08 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/10/21/mecca-agreement/#comment-4604 Chuck, I don't agree. <b>IF</b> (and I wish I could change the font size there to a very BIG if) Iraq is going to work, it will be because this time around the "solution" will eventually come from bottom up. Remember that for a long long time, well prior to Saddam even, the "solution" to Iraq has been imposed one way or another from top down. Whether by Brit FO wallahs, a Shah, Saddam or GWB, it has always been top down in the past. <b>THAT is why the "solution" this time should be very different...</b> It should be apparent that any attempt to "top down" a solution this time around will again lead to long term failure. On reflection, it must be said that to leave Iraq as it is at present is also failure. There is nothing left there upon which any of the three factions would be able to create an effective nation. Not even the Kurds within their own region (who would come closest IMO) would be able to turn to an effective political system, an effective Constitution <b>of their own making</b>, legal or economic systems. That is way before even considering national infra-structures for production, for transport, health and education or any of the other "minimum necessities" that might have existed before and do no longer. Chuck, I don’t agree.

IF (and I wish I could change the font size there to a very BIG if) Iraq is going to work, it will be because this time around the “solution” will eventually come from bottom up.

Remember that for a long long time, well prior to Saddam even, the “solution” to Iraq has been imposed one way or another from top down. Whether by Brit FO wallahs, a Shah, Saddam or GWB, it has always been top down in the past.

THAT is why the “solution” this time should be very different…

It should be apparent that any attempt to “top down” a solution this time around will again lead to long term failure.

On reflection, it must be said that to leave Iraq as it is at present is also failure. There is nothing left there upon which any of the three factions would be able to create an effective nation. Not even the Kurds within their own region (who would come closest IMO) would be able to turn to an effective political system, an effective Constitution of their own making, legal or economic systems. That is way before even considering national infra-structures for production, for transport, health and education or any of the other “minimum necessities” that might have existed before and do no longer.

]]> By: Chuck White http://www.davejustus.com/2006/10/21/mecca-agreement/#comment-4593 Chuck White Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:17:08 +0000 http://www.davejustus.com/2006/10/21/mecca-agreement/#comment-4593 Unfortunately, the only way out is for Iraqis to stop slaughtering each other. The fact that it has come to this, however, is inexcusable. Saddam may have been a monster, but his people were better off when he was governing. The U.S. had no business invading, and if people who are against the war don't keep politicians accountable, then it will happen again. In fact, there are indications it *is* about to happen again. http://www.harpers.org/TheNextWar.html Unfortunately, the only way out is for Iraqis to stop slaughtering each other. The fact that it has come to this, however, is inexcusable. Saddam may have been a monster, but his people were better off when he was governing. The U.S. had no business invading, and if people who are against the war don’t keep politicians accountable, then it will happen again. In fact, there are indications it *is* about to happen again.

http://www.harpers.org/TheNextWar.html

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