Justus For All

Can’t agree with you on this one. Elvira Arellano was caught illegally entering the U.S. and deported in 1997. It was after this that Saul was born, during her second illegal entry into the U.S., which she tried to conceal by possessing a false Social Security number.

Criminals with children frequently try to hide behind their children when caught, claiming it would “punish the children” if they had to suffer any real consequences for their illegal act. It is Ms. Arellano who put her son in this situation, and anything he is forced to endure is squarely, and solely, on her.

Perhaps you are missing my point. It appears to me that Saul will become a productive citizen, and a benefit to the society (ours) he is a part of.

Do you disagree with this?

He is what I want more of. I think our attempts to limit the number of immigrants is a mistake, both morally and from a utilitarian standpoint. Immigrants are a benefit, not a curse.

I regard immigration quotas a lot like prohibition, a short sighted and impossible to enforce policy that creates criminals where the moral failing is the law, not the individual breaking it. We should acknowledge that mistake, and reverse it.

This has nothing to do with ‘punishing the children’ or not. I don’t necessarily advocate not deporting Arellano because of what the Mexican Government voted, or because she has a child who is a U.S. citizen. I advocate not deporting her because we need more, not less, people like her and her child.

Saul seems like a bright kid. His mother seems like a dishonest person who refuses to obey laws that get in her way and is using her child as a shield.

That we need more people like her in America is a statement I can’t agree with.

The law should promote justice, it does not automatically define it.

I think that I would be willing to break a law to provide my child a signifigantly better life, especially if breaking that law did not harm anyone.

When chosing the moral option is in conflict with the law, the law is at fault, not the person breaking it.

The only problem with bending the law like that is that you would have to bend it for everyone. We already have too many illegal immigrants over here draining our systems and being given special privelages that aren’t extended to American Citizens.

I really think, if you lived in an area that had as high a population of illegal aliens as I do, your feelings would be different.

It sucks that she was born in a country that the leaders care more about themselves than their people, but that still doesn’t give her the right to break our laws. There’s a right and a wrong way to do things and if you do things the wrong way, you suffer the consequences and learn to do it right.

The same courtesies you want our government to give to the illegals would not be extended to me… by our government.

You also make the assumption that the law she is breaking isn’t hurting anyone. Let’s look at that…

The laws she is breaking by being here is hurting a lot of people. American citizens.

Numerous traffic accidents happen every day by illegals who do not have insurance on their cars… because they either do not know our laws or refuse to purchase it. Whatever the reason, the illegals are hurting law abiding American citizens by causing their insurance rates, that they are required by law to pay because law dictates they have insurance, to go up due to all of the uninsured motorist claims. This isn’t hurting the pocket books of Americans how?

The illegal immigrants are not paying the appropriate amount of property taxes which support the public school systems, yet they are pouring their children into our public school systems and American citizens are having to pay more and more property taxes because of the influx of illegal immigrant children in the school system. This isn’t hurting Americans how?

Our children are suffering in school because so much attention is having to be paid to illegal immigrant children that do not know English and therefore English speaking children are being pushed to the side. This isn’t hurting Americans how?

Those are just a few examples of problems that face communities that are swelling with illegal immigrants. Being that I live in a border state, I deal with this more than most of the other states within this country.

I take exception to the statement that the laws she is breaking aren’t hurting anyone… they hurt plenty of people. Those people are American citizens.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for people immigrating to this country…LEGALLY.

Those are downsides of illegal immigration. I also want to end illegal immigration, by removing the quotas we have on legal immigration and accepting these immigrants as full members of our society.

You cannot say you are all for people immigrating to this country if you support the current immigration quotas.

We can end almost completely end illegal immigration by removing the ‘illegal’ part. Trying to end illegal immigration by removing the ‘immigrant’ part is doomed to failure.

Note, that I do want to ‘bend’ or more accurately change, the law for everyone. I am also not sure what the ‘courtesies’ I want our government to extend are that wouldn’t be extended to you. Of course, being a citizen already, any changes in immigration law wouldn’t apply to you, but that is only because you already have all of those priviledges.

Pamela, Dave’s point in all this is that you would solve everything by just eliminating the immigration quotas (limits) in place and have everyone be allowed to go through the process to gain citizenship. As the current system is, it’s more or less “take a number and you will be served when your number is called.”

Auto insurance rates are being affected just as much by people who are born and raised in this country by families who have been in this country for generations. Removing illegals won’t solve the problem.

Property taxes mean nothing for people who rent property and illegals are not the only ones who rent. Your point is taken on the number of children being increased as a result, though.

As far as teaching children English goes, what about children of families who come to this country legally and who don’t learn the English language before coming here? Or are we going to insist you have to speak English before you can even cross the border?

At any rate, the only reason these people are illegal is because the United States put quotas in place. Which then means you need to argue why it’s beneficial to keep those quotas.

And if you want to complain about what hurts Americans, you really need to point your finger at the No. 1 cause: Employers who hire illegals. Most illegals who come here want to work, and if they can’t find work, there’s no reason for them to stay.