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Mob Politics

12:07 pm on Tuesday, November 21, 2006

Mary Madigan posts at Dean’s World comparing Islamic radicals to organized crime.  While like any analogy, this one isn’t perfect, I do think it is useful.

While I do think that for many of these groups the original motivation was more in ideology than worldly gain, human venality and the very real need for money and power to propel their organizations forward have combined to make any sort of ideological reason far less important than then simply gaining money and power.  Whether it is the Taliban, Al-Qaida, the Mullahs of Iran, or Hezbollah and Hamas, at the end of the day it is simply about using violence to extort, both from the local populace they deal with, and western nations.

This perspective helps to explain why seemingly ideologically oppossed groups are willing to ally, especially when what they are allied against is law and order that would put them out of business.  Of course in this paradigm, the U.S., being the worlds policeman, is a primary enemy.  Equally worrisome for such thugish groups is a democratic Iraq that would show a different way.

Their core ideology still matters of course, while it probably doesn’t have much to do with their current tactics, it is integral both in recruiting new members and in attacking our own sense of justice that motivates us against them.  If they are simply thugs, we are certainly justifying in ending their reign of terror through exteme measure, if on the other hand they are justly serving their people in fighting oppression, or even have merely misunderstood Islam, our position is less clear.

4 Comments »

Comment by honestpartisan

November 21, 2006 @ 2:13 pm

They’re like the mob? Good! Then we can use the criminal justice model against them rather than the war-fighting model.

Comment by Dave Justus

November 21, 2006 @ 2:22 pm

They are though a mob with bases of operations in foreign territory and with varying degrees of control over sovreign nations.

It took an outside force, Eliot Ness, to fight Capone in Chicago, because the local authorities had been subborned. A similar parrall applies with, for example, Hezbollah in Lebannon. No cop, and not even the Lebanese army, can ‘arrest’ them. The U.N. forces theoretically could, but it seems that they have little interest. (Although even that would be more ‘war’ then ‘criminal justice.’

Either they will continue their rule, or a military force will have to combat them. There is no other vialbe choice that I see.

Comment by honestpartisan

November 21, 2006 @ 8:43 pm

Either they will continue their rule, or a military force will have to combat them. There is no other vialbe choice that I see.

So you’re advocating that the U.S. invade Lebanon? Seriously?

To establish a democracy, perhaps? Where a plurality of people could vote for oh, I don’t know … Hezbollah perhaps? or was all that stuff about democracy in the Arab world not really serious?

Comment by Dave Justus

November 21, 2006 @ 10:12 pm

I advocate that Hezbollah be disarmed, as the international agreement brokered this summer promised. Unfortunately, the U.N. forces deployed there have made it clear that they have no interest in doing so.

Of course Hezbollah does not have a plurality in Lebanon, although they do have a signifigant minority representation in the Lebanon Government. Indeed, the Hezbollah armed militia exist in defiance of the Lebanon Government.

I also don’t think you can find in my comment any advocacy for an invasion, although that may in time prove preferable to other choices. At this time, I would advocate putting more pressure on the U.N. force, perhaps with sufficient pressure they would change their mind. I would also advocate increased aid and training to the Lebanese government, and a clear message to Syria that continued meddling in Lebannon will not be tolerated.

However, if you have a better idea, I am all ears. How would your criminal justice solution deal with a psuedo-state embracing terror and rebuilding their rocket arsenal in Southern Lebanon? Present me with viable tactics and I will certainly take it serously.

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