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	<title>Comments on: Jonah Goldberg on Gore</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/03/29/jonah-goldberg-on-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-15581</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, Gore is not simply a politician on this issue.  He has presented himself as an expert, both via his documentary and his testimony to congress.  He is also the &#039;official spokesman,&#039; as much as their is of one, for this whole thing.   

Secondly, the focus of this criticism is not that Gore is trying to solve environmental problems through political means, but he is trying to leverage environmental concerns (the latest and greatest being global warming) to accomplish seperate and not necessarily related political goals, in this case centralization of power, command and control economy, and a general status of citizens as being tools toward social ends, rather then individuals being ends unto themselves, and persueing happiness as they see fit.  

The fear of global warming is being used, and exaggerated to promote this cause.  

Of course geo-engineering doesn&#039;t require the massive projects that you suggest.  There are several viable ways of doing this that would cost a fraction of what Kyoto would cost.  The political will could, I think, be created to at least fully explore them, but that wouldn&#039;t accomplish the actual goals of the movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Gore is not simply a politician on this issue.  He has presented himself as an expert, both via his documentary and his testimony to congress.  He is also the &#8216;official spokesman,&#8217; as much as their is of one, for this whole thing.   </p>
<p>Secondly, the focus of this criticism is not that Gore is trying to solve environmental problems through political means, but he is trying to leverage environmental concerns (the latest and greatest being global warming) to accomplish seperate and not necessarily related political goals, in this case centralization of power, command and control economy, and a general status of citizens as being tools toward social ends, rather then individuals being ends unto themselves, and persueing happiness as they see fit.  </p>
<p>The fear of global warming is being used, and exaggerated to promote this cause.  </p>
<p>Of course geo-engineering doesn&#8217;t require the massive projects that you suggest.  There are several viable ways of doing this that would cost a fraction of what Kyoto would cost.  The political will could, I think, be created to at least fully explore them, but that wouldn&#8217;t accomplish the actual goals of the movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lightbody</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/03/29/jonah-goldberg-on-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-15577</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Lightbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add - I don&#039;t disagree that the general movement is guilty of engaging in this behavior from time to time, but I&#039;m not certain if one can fault Gore for focussing on the politics. He is, afterall, a politician.

But why most of the hippies shun nuclear still frustrates me. It&#039;s one of our best options right now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add &#8211; I don&#8217;t disagree that the general movement is guilty of engaging in this behavior from time to time, but I&#8217;m not certain if one can fault Gore for focussing on the politics. He is, afterall, a politician.</p>
<p>But why most of the hippies shun nuclear still frustrates me. It&#8217;s one of our best options right now!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Lightbody</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/03/29/jonah-goldberg-on-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-15576</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Lightbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if that is totally accurate, or at least somewhat simplifying the overall situation.

The truth is that there is no point to suggest any huge project (geo-whatever, giant sun shades, etc) to solve the problem right now. That&#039;s because politically there is no will to spend the money on that. So in that sense, Gore is doing exactly what needs to be done: address the politics, then the solutions (and checks to pay for them) will come.

Honestly: do you think if Gore *did* suggest geo-engineering that Conservatives would suddenly embrace him? What would you like to see him do differently? And how would those different actions have a better chance at &quot;solving the problem&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if that is totally accurate, or at least somewhat simplifying the overall situation.</p>
<p>The truth is that there is no point to suggest any huge project (geo-whatever, giant sun shades, etc) to solve the problem right now. That&#8217;s because politically there is no will to spend the money on that. So in that sense, Gore is doing exactly what needs to be done: address the politics, then the solutions (and checks to pay for them) will come.</p>
<p>Honestly: do you think if Gore *did* suggest geo-engineering that Conservatives would suddenly embrace him? What would you like to see him do differently? And how would those different actions have a better chance at &#8220;solving the problem&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: probligo</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/03/29/jonah-goldberg-on-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-15196</link>
		<dc:creator>probligo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one word to change in there Dave and it would be perfect...

&quot;...and, like all churches...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one word to change in there Dave and it would be perfect&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and, like all churches&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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