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	<title>Comments on: Clinton Proposes Vote to Reverse Authorizing War</title>
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		<title>By: The Anchoress &#187; When abandonment is suddenly &#8220;good policy&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24225</link>
		<dc:creator>The Anchoress &#187; When abandonment is suddenly &#8220;good policy&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 05:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why is it suddenly a positive thing for Congress to want to umm&#8230;rather unilaterally abandon the Iraqi people, once again&#8230;due to political considerations? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Why is it suddenly a positive thing for Congress to want to umm&#8230;rather unilaterally abandon the Iraqi people, once again&#8230;due to political considerations? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: k. pablo</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24051</link>
		<dc:creator>k. pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 21:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn.  I better go back to reading the &quot;If the Chickenhawk Fallacy is Wrong, I Don&#039;t Want to be Right&quot; post over on HonestPartisan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn.  I better go back to reading the &#8220;If the Chickenhawk Fallacy is Wrong, I Don&#8217;t Want to be Right&#8221; post over on HonestPartisan.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24042</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you?  Some sort of Kaiser lover?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you?  Some sort of Kaiser lover?</p>
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		<title>By: honestpartisan</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24041</link>
		<dc:creator>honestpartisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;we could have avoided fighting in two world wars&lt;/i&gt;

So we should stay in Iraq to fight the Kaiser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we could have avoided fighting in two world wars</i></p>
<p>So we should stay in Iraq to fight the Kaiser?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24039</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did, and do believe that foreign policy should be subject to democratic debate.  Further, this post and my comments on it are arguments that this is a politically bad move, not that it is somehow illigitimate to make this sort of move.  

That being said, there is a clear difference between offering up a foreign policy outlook to democratic approval (or disapproval) and engaging in theatrical stunts that increase ones political position at the expense of our national policy.  I have absolutely no issue with Clinton, or any democratic nominee, eplaining their foreign policy and promising remove our troops from Iraq if they are elected.  I might disagree with what they present, and choose not to vote for them, but I won&#039;t have any issue with them doing it.  Putting up meaningless legislation as a stunt to incease their position with &#039;the base&#039; is a different matter all toghether.  

I suspect though that you realized that before you asked the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did, and do believe that foreign policy should be subject to democratic debate.  Further, this post and my comments on it are arguments that this is a politically bad move, not that it is somehow illigitimate to make this sort of move.  </p>
<p>That being said, there is a clear difference between offering up a foreign policy outlook to democratic approval (or disapproval) and engaging in theatrical stunts that increase ones political position at the expense of our national policy.  I have absolutely no issue with Clinton, or any democratic nominee, eplaining their foreign policy and promising remove our troops from Iraq if they are elected.  I might disagree with what they present, and choose not to vote for them, but I won&#8217;t have any issue with them doing it.  Putting up meaningless legislation as a stunt to incease their position with &#8216;the base&#8217; is a different matter all toghether.  </p>
<p>I suspect though that you realized that before you asked the question.</p>
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		<title>By: k. pablo</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24038</link>
		<dc:creator>k. pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How is staying in Iraq going to make me safe from Al Qaeda members elsewhere who want to blow stuff up where I live?&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s logic?  Damn, we could have avoided fighting in two world wars, had we been that enlightened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How is staying in Iraq going to make me safe from Al Qaeda members elsewhere who want to blow stuff up where I live?</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s logic?  Damn, we could have avoided fighting in two world wars, had we been that enlightened.</p>
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		<title>By: honestpartisan</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-24000</link>
		<dc:creator>honestpartisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who do you think we’re fighting in Iraq?&lt;/i&gt;

How is staying in Iraq going to make me safe from Al Qaeda members elsewhere who want to blow stuff up where I live?

&lt;i&gt;I also think that this manuever, and many others that have impacts on foreign policy, that the Democrats have engaged in have nothing to do with foreign policy, but are purely focused on domestic political positioning.&lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t you say in the past that in a democracy things should be politicized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who do you think we’re fighting in Iraq?</i></p>
<p>How is staying in Iraq going to make me safe from Al Qaeda members elsewhere who want to blow stuff up where I live?</p>
<p><i>I also think that this manuever, and many others that have impacts on foreign policy, that the Democrats have engaged in have nothing to do with foreign policy, but are purely focused on domestic political positioning.</i></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you say in the past that in a democracy things should be politicized?</p>
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		<title>By: k. pablo</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-23970</link>
		<dc:creator>k. pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I do think it possible to craft a forigen policy postion that opposses the Iraq war and fights Al-Qaida.&lt;/i&gt;

Who do you think we&#039;re fighting in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I do think it possible to craft a forigen policy postion that opposses the Iraq war and fights Al-Qaida.</i></p>
<p>Who do you think we&#8217;re fighting in Iraq?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-23953</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard about the speech, but I haven&#039;t read it yet.  I will do so and post an entry on it.  

In relation to you other points, I do think it possible to craft a forigen policy postion that opposses the Iraq war and fights Al-Qaida.  I don&#039;t think the democrats have done it yet though.  I also think that this manuever, and many others that have impacts on foreign policy, that the Democrats have engaged in have nothing to do with foreign policy, but are purely focused on domestic political positioning.  This political positioning I think will increase the perception that Democrats are not serious when it comes to foreign policy, and I think that will be a long term detriment to the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard about the speech, but I haven&#8217;t read it yet.  I will do so and post an entry on it.  </p>
<p>In relation to you other points, I do think it possible to craft a forigen policy postion that opposses the Iraq war and fights Al-Qaida.  I don&#8217;t think the democrats have done it yet though.  I also think that this manuever, and many others that have impacts on foreign policy, that the Democrats have engaged in have nothing to do with foreign policy, but are purely focused on domestic political positioning.  This political positioning I think will increase the perception that Democrats are not serious when it comes to foreign policy, and I think that will be a long term detriment to the party.</p>
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		<title>By: honestpartisan</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/clinton-proposes-vote-to-reverse-authorizing-war/comment-page-1/#comment-23937</link>
		<dc:creator>honestpartisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 16:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve long been of the view that Hillary Clinton is deeply unserious about matters of war and peace and about ... well, everything.  Her statement in last week&#039;s debate justifying her current position on Iraq by stating that the American people support it epitomizes the problem.

But I don&#039;t know that I necessarily buy your characterization of the Democratic position on terror issues.  Just because many of us think that the Iraq War was a tragic, mistaken policy and &lt;i&gt;hurt&lt;/i&gt; the U.S. in its global opposition to the likes of Al Qaeda doesn&#039;t mean that we don&#039;t think the latter is a critical threat -- rather, we disagree about the best means by which to deal with that threat.

By the way, I&#039;m curious as to your feelings about Obama&#039;s approach to these issues, outlined in &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fpccga/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this speech&lt;/a&gt; (I don&#039;t normally want to foist reading material this long on someone, by the way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long been of the view that Hillary Clinton is deeply unserious about matters of war and peace and about &#8230; well, everything.  Her statement in last week&#8217;s debate justifying her current position on Iraq by stating that the American people support it epitomizes the problem.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know that I necessarily buy your characterization of the Democratic position on terror issues.  Just because many of us think that the Iraq War was a tragic, mistaken policy and <i>hurt</i> the U.S. in its global opposition to the likes of Al Qaeda doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t think the latter is a critical threat &#8212; rather, we disagree about the best means by which to deal with that threat.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m curious as to your feelings about Obama&#8217;s approach to these issues, outlined in <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fpccga/" rel="nofollow">this speech</a> (I don&#8217;t normally want to foist reading material this long on someone, by the way).</p>
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