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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-30435</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

I am not sure what question was asked that wasn&#039;t answered.  

As for Obama being a closet-Muslim, as far as I can tell you are asserting, all known evidence to the contrary, that in his heart Obama is a believer in Islam.  While I can&#039;t see into his heart, I don&#039;t believe you can either.  

And when you assert that he always will be, you are claiming to know the future as well.  God may be able to see such things clearly, but I don&#039;t believe that you can.

Obama claims to be Christian.  He has been active in Christian organizations well before he was propelled to the national spotlight.  

That doesn&#039;t really matter to me though.  Him being Muslim in and of itself is no better or worse then him being Christian or Atheist or Wiccan as far as I am concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I am not sure what question was asked that wasn&#8217;t answered.  </p>
<p>As for Obama being a closet-Muslim, as far as I can tell you are asserting, all known evidence to the contrary, that in his heart Obama is a believer in Islam.  While I can&#8217;t see into his heart, I don&#8217;t believe you can either.  </p>
<p>And when you assert that he always will be, you are claiming to know the future as well.  God may be able to see such things clearly, but I don&#8217;t believe that you can.</p>
<p>Obama claims to be Christian.  He has been active in Christian organizations well before he was propelled to the national spotlight.  </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t really matter to me though.  Him being Muslim in and of itself is no better or worse then him being Christian or Atheist or Wiccan as far as I am concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-30320</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 08:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, check out my latest post if you get a chance. I think you&#039;ll like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, check out my latest post if you get a chance. I think you&#8217;ll like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-30319</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 08:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP? Dave? Anybody home? You guys haven&#039;t answered my question. And BTW: having done some research, I now take back my accusation of Obama being an anti-Semite. However, he is and always will be a closet-Muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP? Dave? Anybody home? You guys haven&#8217;t answered my question. And BTW: having done some research, I now take back my accusation of Obama being an anti-Semite. However, he is and always will be a closet-Muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-26618</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 08:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP: I&#039;m not sure who Martin Perez is. Are you referring to Shimon Peres or Amir Peretz maybe? And your challenge stands. All the info. I have comes from first sources so that I doubt I could locate anything online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP: I&#8217;m not sure who Martin Perez is. Are you referring to Shimon Peres or Amir Peretz maybe? And your challenge stands. All the info. I have comes from first sources so that I doubt I could locate anything online.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-26179</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HP,

Bangledash is an very poor nation.  

From the CIA factbook where you got the GDP growth numbers:

&quot;Despite sustained domestic and international efforts to improve economic and demographic prospects, Bangladesh remains a poor, overpopulated, and inefficiently-governed nation. Although more than half of GDP is generated through the service sector, nearly two-thirds of Bangladeshis are employed in the agriculture sector, with rice as the single-most-important product. Major impediments to growth include frequent cyclones and floods, inefficient state-owned enterprises, inadequate port facilities, a rapidly growing labor force that cannot be absorbed by agriculture, delays in exploiting energy resources (natural gas), insufficient power supplies, and slow implementation of economic reforms. Reform is stalled in many instances by political infighting and corruption at all levels of government. Opposition from the bureaucracy, public sector unions, and other vested interest groups also have blocked progress. The BNP government, led by Prime Minister Khaleda ZIA, has the parliamentary strength to push through needed reforms, but the party&#039;s political will to do so has been lacking in key areas. On an encouraging note, growth has been a steady 5-6% for the past several years.&quot;

Sachs&#039; &#039;program&#039; isn&#039;t really anything new.  It is the same program that has been tried, with little success, for a very long time.  While he may claim charges of corruption are an excuse to do nothing, and that may at times be right, I think that often sending aid is a convenient rationalization for doing the hard work that it would take to actually help lift a nation out of poverty.  A whole lot more then just &#039;aid&#039; is needed for that to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP,</p>
<p>Bangledash is an very poor nation.  </p>
<p>From the CIA factbook where you got the GDP growth numbers:</p>
<p>&#8220;Despite sustained domestic and international efforts to improve economic and demographic prospects, Bangladesh remains a poor, overpopulated, and inefficiently-governed nation. Although more than half of GDP is generated through the service sector, nearly two-thirds of Bangladeshis are employed in the agriculture sector, with rice as the single-most-important product. Major impediments to growth include frequent cyclones and floods, inefficient state-owned enterprises, inadequate port facilities, a rapidly growing labor force that cannot be absorbed by agriculture, delays in exploiting energy resources (natural gas), insufficient power supplies, and slow implementation of economic reforms. Reform is stalled in many instances by political infighting and corruption at all levels of government. Opposition from the bureaucracy, public sector unions, and other vested interest groups also have blocked progress. The BNP government, led by Prime Minister Khaleda ZIA, has the parliamentary strength to push through needed reforms, but the party&#8217;s political will to do so has been lacking in key areas. On an encouraging note, growth has been a steady 5-6% for the past several years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sachs&#8217; &#8216;program&#8217; isn&#8217;t really anything new.  It is the same program that has been tried, with little success, for a very long time.  While he may claim charges of corruption are an excuse to do nothing, and that may at times be right, I think that often sending aid is a convenient rationalization for doing the hard work that it would take to actually help lift a nation out of poverty.  A whole lot more then just &#8216;aid&#8217; is needed for that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: honestpartisan</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-26146</link>
		<dc:creator>honestpartisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s evidence that Bangladesh is a basket case?  Their economy has been growing at a pretty fast rate the past few years.  Textile businesses that once relocated to China have relocated from China to Bangladesh (&quot;The Travels of a T-Shirt in the Global Economy&quot; by Pietra Rivoli discusses this phenonmenon).  The report on Bangladesh being corrupt is from 2003, and the reports of the economic growth come after that; I don&#039;t know why that time difference is significant.  I doubt Bangladesh&#039;s propensity for corruption changed that much in a couple of years.

&quot;Just throwing money at poor countries won’t solve any of their problems&quot; is a straw man -- Jeffrey Sachs&#039; program is anything but &quot;throwing money.&quot;  He also points out in his book how charges of corruption are often a convenient rationalization for skimping on foreign aid.  I agree with you that it should be addressed.

Greg, its no secret that Obama lived in Indonesia as a child and went to a Muslim school.  This was when he was about 8 or something.  So what?  And I challenge you to find anything he said that is anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic.  He has been resolutely pro-Israel.  Even Martin Peretz supports him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s evidence that Bangladesh is a basket case?  Their economy has been growing at a pretty fast rate the past few years.  Textile businesses that once relocated to China have relocated from China to Bangladesh (&#8220;The Travels of a T-Shirt in the Global Economy&#8221; by Pietra Rivoli discusses this phenonmenon).  The report on Bangladesh being corrupt is from 2003, and the reports of the economic growth come after that; I don&#8217;t know why that time difference is significant.  I doubt Bangladesh&#8217;s propensity for corruption changed that much in a couple of years.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just throwing money at poor countries won’t solve any of their problems&#8221; is a straw man &#8212; Jeffrey Sachs&#8217; program is anything but &#8220;throwing money.&#8221;  He also points out in his book how charges of corruption are often a convenient rationalization for skimping on foreign aid.  I agree with you that it should be addressed.</p>
<p>Greg, its no secret that Obama lived in Indonesia as a child and went to a Muslim school.  This was when he was about 8 or something.  So what?  And I challenge you to find anything he said that is anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic.  He has been resolutely pro-Israel.  Even Martin Peretz supports him.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-26132</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sources are a local doctor whom I trust and who alleges Obama was raised Muslim. Thus I said: &quot;Obama is a closet Muslim&quot; and not &quot;Obama is Muslim.&quot; Whether you believe me or not is not up to me to decide. As for the aformentioned pseudo-politician, he&#039;s referred to Israel in a very negative light and as far as I&#039;m concerned anti-Zionist=anti-Semite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sources are a local doctor whom I trust and who alleges Obama was raised Muslim. Thus I said: &#8220;Obama is a closet Muslim&#8221; and not &#8220;Obama is Muslim.&#8221; Whether you believe me or not is not up to me to decide. As for the aformentioned pseudo-politician, he&#8217;s referred to Israel in a very negative light and as far as I&#8217;m concerned anti-Zionist=anti-Semite.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
		<link>http://www.davejustus.com/2007/05/04/obamas-foreign-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-26102</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have such sources you should reveal them.  I don&#039;t believe you can prove either of those charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have such sources you should reveal them.  I don&#8217;t believe you can prove either of those charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: I wasn&#039;t making an assumption when I said Obama was a closet Muslim, nor was I being racist or what have you when I claimed he was an anti-Semite. Yes, in fact, he is a closet Muslim and I have the sources to prove this and yes, indeed he is an anti-Semite and no, it&#039;s not because of the way his name is spelled. I was just trying to be funny when I wrote about his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: I wasn&#8217;t making an assumption when I said Obama was a closet Muslim, nor was I being racist or what have you when I claimed he was an anti-Semite. Yes, in fact, he is a closet Muslim and I have the sources to prove this and yes, indeed he is an anti-Semite and no, it&#8217;s not because of the way his name is spelled. I was just trying to be funny when I wrote about his name.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Justus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Justus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the economic success of Bangledash as a counter to my premise that economic improvement is virtually impossible with high corruption is hardly a resounding rebuttal in my opinion.  Bangledash is an economic basket case.  

I certainly don&#039;t know the in and outs of Bangledashian economy, I don&#039;t know if the corruption has been increasing or decreasing and of course your two sources are from two different time periods, which is problematic.  

The Forbes article you quote of course agrees with the basic premise that corruption is a horrible drain on economic growth.  

I am not saying that we shouldn&#039;t help countries because they are corrupt, what I am saying is that unless part of the program is to address that corruption and other anti-personal property and anti-entreprenuerial impulses our charity will be ineffective.  Just throwing money at poor countries won&#039;t solve any of their problems.  

(This doesn&#039;t necessarily apply to natural disaster type situations, which have a somewhat different purpose, although sometimes &#039;natural disasters&#039; are in fact political disasters in disguise)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the economic success of Bangledash as a counter to my premise that economic improvement is virtually impossible with high corruption is hardly a resounding rebuttal in my opinion.  Bangledash is an economic basket case.  </p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t know the in and outs of Bangledashian economy, I don&#8217;t know if the corruption has been increasing or decreasing and of course your two sources are from two different time periods, which is problematic.  </p>
<p>The Forbes article you quote of course agrees with the basic premise that corruption is a horrible drain on economic growth.  </p>
<p>I am not saying that we shouldn&#8217;t help countries because they are corrupt, what I am saying is that unless part of the program is to address that corruption and other anti-personal property and anti-entreprenuerial impulses our charity will be ineffective.  Just throwing money at poor countries won&#8217;t solve any of their problems.  </p>
<p>(This doesn&#8217;t necessarily apply to natural disaster type situations, which have a somewhat different purpose, although sometimes &#8216;natural disasters&#8217; are in fact political disasters in disguise)</p>
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